Podcaster and ground-breaking female motor racing driver, Danica Patrick, hosts creator and author of The Secret, Rhonda Byrne on the Pretty Intense podcast, talking about creating The Secret, how magical the universe is, and how to live in the flow of positivity to truly live the life that you want to live.

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Danica Patrick – Back in 2008 someone suggested I watch The Secret. I watched it and it was spring of 2008 and then, I don’t know if it was the exact next race, it might have been, cos I was a race car driver…

 

Rhonda Byrne – Yes. Yes.

 

Danica – And the next race was my race in Japan that I finally won in an indie car, and I always connect the dots between watching The Secret and winning in Japan.

 

Rhonda Byrne – Right. Right.

 

Danica – And so thank you so much.

 

Rhonda – Oh no gosh, you did it. You’re the one who did it… so. It’s been, 2006 until now, unrecognizable life for me, I have to say. Compared to prior to 2006 when I was just totally asleep to everything. So, it’s really good to be conscious.

 

Danica – This podcast exists because I love talking to people and love going deep. The purpose is to plant seeds of inspiration. We enter space of vulnerability and relatability and what you realize is that we are so much more alike than we are different. To quote Rhonda, ‘we are all just walking each other home’, and the show is just one step.

 

I am Danica Patrick and I’m Pretty Intense.

 

Danica – I am so excited about the guest on the show today. Her name is Rhonda Byrne. She, you may remember it, she created and produced The Secret. Like this was revolutionary. I watch The Secret in 2008 and then I went and won in Japan, and I would always connect the two. And I think she really brought in the idea that you can manifest your life, the law of attraction, thoughts matter, thoughts become things, energy, she really, I feel was for at least for me, she was the first one to bring this into mainstream. She is also an author, she’s written a bunch of books, she’s written a new one that’s just come out called The Greatest Secret. Our conversation was all about her journey, how she had these epiphanies, her stories of transformation, and you know she’s constantly, she’s really like where she’s reached a point now that she’s not so constantly seeking and she’s being much more. It was just a fascinating conversation full of so many stories and just like your jaw will be on the ground when you hear some of them, and just how magical the universe is, and that it is so in your favor, and it is not against you. And she gives so many good tips on how to live in that flow so that you can benefit from the infinite potentiality that the universe has to offer us versus what our limited minds have only seen or experienced. So, I hope that you found this just as fascinating as I did and that you take so much away from it and you are able to apply it to your life and truly live the life that you want to. So enjoy the episode.

 

Rhonda – I tend to just do one thing. So you’re it, you’re the star today. Star of the day.

 

Danica – So my honor. I, like let me go back in time for a little bit of background so you can understand how long I’ve been aware of you. Back in 2008 someone suggested I watch The Secret. And I was like oh okay. What year did it come out?

 

Rhonda – 2006.

 

Danica – Okay 2006. So it had been around for a bit but I watched it and it was spring of 2008 and then I don’t know if it was the exact next race, it might have been, cos I was a race car driver…

 

Rhonda – Yes, yes.

 

Danica – And the next race was my race in Japan that I finally won in an indie car. And I always connect the dots between watching The Secret and winning in Japan.

 

Rhonda – Right, right.

 

Danica – So thank you so much.

 

Rhonda – Oh no gosh, you did it. You’re the one who did it… so. It’s been, 2006 until now, unrecognizable life for me, I have to say. Compared to prior to 2006 when I was just totally asleep to everything. So, it’s really good to be conscious.

 

Danica – It is but it’s a journey at the same time.

 

Rhonda – Oh it’s a journey. Hmm. Yeah it is but it’s a wonderful journey.

 

Danica – Yeah, it’s like you talk to anyone that’s on the journey of waking up of consciousness, of healing, of any of those things and you know there can be really rough periods where you have to face a lot of things, and look at yourself and that you’ve denied, or the things that you’ve not nurtured or cultivated whether it be inner child or whether it be relationship or the way you show up and how you feel about them and how you project, but at the end of the day it’s always a rise in frequency and it’s always a greater, a greater existence on a daily basis. Like your base line changes.

 

Rhonda – It does, and you just become…. I wouldn’t have been able to recognize this I don’t think going back to 2006 but you… you become freer. So, my first step to freedom was definitely the realization of The Secret and that we can create our lives whichever way we want to create them. That was just the most massive breath of freedom and was incredible. So, my life completely changed from that, 360, 360 in every single area, but then I always felt well if this is the case, then there must be more that I don’t know and so I just became a crazy, crazy, sincere seeker. I just read every book that was going, I went back through time I was going through all the traditions and the religions, I just could not get enough. And I was doing it 24/7 and I could do it 24/7 because it was really my work. So, it was amazing to be able to do it. So, blessed.

 

Danica – Well that’s an example of doing something endlessly and getting….and you’re so energized for it, insatiable for it, because it’s so your purpose.

 

Rhonda – I was not the least bit tired. I had to force myself to go to sleep because I couldn’t wait to wake up in the morning and so, I could keep going and doing more and more and more. And I had so many realizations over those years, one after the other, after the other, after the other, after the other. Aha moments that completely changed the way that I saw the world and the way that I saw myself. It just kept continuing that way and so the more realizations that I had the more that I could see the way things really are, the happier I became, and the happier I became, happier, happier, happier, happier. And less able to be disturbed by people and events.

 

Danica – What was the first story? What is the first story that was like being hit by… being hit with a truck or enlightened… probably not in a negative way, but what was that first thing that.. aha… that epiphany that happened that made you realize, that got you into the path that lead to The Secret?

 

Rhonda – It was a particular evening and I’d had a really, really, rough year that year. My father had died suddenly, and I was making six movies about unsolved murders, so it was a really really, rough subject. I had a production company and so everything that could go wrong went wrong that year until I reached September the 9th, and I had two phone calls in a row. And it was timed so beautifully when I look back it was incredible, cos the first phone call absolutely brought me to my knees and that was my accountant saying you’re going to… you’re going to be broke in 30 days you’ve gone two million dollars over budget on the movies, and I still had one and a half to deliver. And I had, had a director that had gone over budget and then I hung up the phone and as I hung up the phone it rang again it was my mother who was in a really bad way. So those two phone calls absolutely brought me to my knees because I didn’t feel that I could solve either problem. Like I was so good at fixing things but these two things my mother was grief stricken because my father had died earlier in the year and so these two things I could not solve. And so, I just collapsed in despair and that moment of collapsing in despair was the moment where my life would change forever. Because my daughter, my adult daughter saw me and just walked out and handed me this book which was from 1910 and said, read this it will help. And I mean, I asked her since why did you give me that book, and she’s like, I don’t know, you know. She just didn’t know, she was just… And the way that she gave it to me was almost kind of… um a robot like, do you know? Like just start handing it. What’s even weirder is that with the sky falling in and after the two phone calls, is that I read the book.

 

Danica – Right so you made time for the book.

 

Rhonda – I just sat down right there and then and I opened it up and I started reading and all my tears were hitting the pages, the ink was running, and 90 minutes later I finished reading it and oh my gosh. My life had completely changed I knew things that were not in book. I just had the biggest, biggest, realization and of course the book was the trigger and the book is called The Science of Getting Rich by Wallace Wattles and it’s available for free on our website, if anybody wants to download it  thesecret.tv. But that book, oh… I just saw so much in that book and that set me off on a search from that book onwards I went back into time, searching for this information that I absolutely knew was the truth, that we created our life. And I just went back, right back through history actually way back in history to the Emerald Tablet. And I didn’t tell anybody what I’d found I just continued to research, and it’s like when you were talking about, I just… There was something rushing through me that just took me, I barely slept. And then it was almost like, like I would pick up a book I know I would start to read it and I would read that book and then I would look at the time I’d think it must be really late but then it was five minutes from when I last looked at it. Like it was like time stopped and it was like time became really malleable for me…and so…

 

Danica – Wow. Well that’s a reality, time and space.. this dimension, you like were in a different reality a different dimension when time wasn’t relevant.

 

Rhonda – Time wasn’t relevant. And so, I just what I accomplished in just three months was crazy. In terms of reading and research and then in January this was in September and I mean mind you I drove to my mother’s straightaway the next morning and I told her everything I discovered so I got her all set and a whole New World that opened up for her and then I went back and continued with the research and in January 2005 I walked into my team and I said we are going to make and it wasn’t a documentary at that stage or a movie or I didn’t know what it was but we’re going to make something that will change the world. And they thought I was mad.

 

Danica – Well isn’t there some saying about like it takes someone like someone crazy or mad to change the world. That they actually believe it’s possible.

 

Rhonda – Totally.

 

Danica – Which is The Secret, you know.

 

Rhonda – And so that was how it began, and you know we were really practicing The Secret while making The Secret. And we became very, very, aware. I was very aware of signs of messages and hearing things of being guided by everything we needed was put in front of us. Absolutely everything.

 

Danica – What were the signs? What things were happening that made you go, green light, green light, here we go.

 

Rhonda – Everything. Okay so one thing example is we came to the United States to film teachers, we had no teachers lined up to film absolutely none whatsoever. We could reach teachers so easily like it was just crazy and they would all say yes but one of the teachers was Jack Canfield and he was in Aspen at the time and so we went to Aspen. He agreed to be filmed and he asked me to do a presentation when I got there. And we made a big trailer and there were something like 60 teachers in that room that I presented, and met Jack, and that I presented The Secret of what I was going to do. And Jack said, who wants to be in this documentary put your hand up. They all put their hand up. And in addition to that we had been trying to get in touch with Bob Proctor through his people and… and then when we were in Aspen finally my researcher was in touch with his personal assistant, and she said where are you at the moment? And it was my sister actually who was helping me, and she said we are in Aspen and Bob’s assistant said, oh my gosh.

 

Danica – He’s in Aspen.

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Rhonda – He’s in Aspen. Yes. And so the moment she told him he came over to us in 30 minutes because he knew it was meant to be and they all knew. Like everyone all they all just knew something incredible was happening and even the way we released it. Like I had in my mind that because I had a production company that made content for television and so in my mind this was going to be released on television through networks around the world in a 24hour period that was the way I saw it that it would be released globally basically at the same time. And so, I had all of these networks all interested and then there was this extraordinary thing they all just dropped out. Like one by one by one by one and so I knew that this was not the way it was meant to go. And so, I just opened myself to the possibility of it going out differently. We spoke to some film companies, and they just wanted to buy it, and buy it out completely, and I wouldn’t do it. And then eventually what happened was, I saw an advertisement on the Internet that you’ve kind got to imagine a time that was so different from now but I saw this British Airways commercial on the Internet and I was like, that’s it, we release this on the Internet. Now nothing, no movie had ever been released on the Internet. And I called… I called my CEO and I said we’ll release it on the Internet, it will go round the world in 24 hours, and he said, oh that might be one way to release it, but you can’t release it in that way entirely. Well do you know my CEO happened to be…. happened to be amazing at technology and he worked with the company that just happened to be two streets from my office, who… who put out that British Airways commercial in Melbourne in Australia. And he worked with them and created the technology for The Secret to go out on the Internet. So it was the first… the first film that had gone out on the Internet…

 

Danica – Wow!

 

Rhonda – …and within one hour of it going out I knew that was it. Like I just sat back and it didn’t matter what happen from there it was out in the world and that was all that mattered to me.

 

Danica – Well what’s special about that story is that it’s really easy to see the signs when it’s positive, but it’s hard I feel like to accept the signs when they’re negative. And so as you were being, you know, left to dry with the networks about putting it out on television, I think that that… that to me is the striking part about the story, that you go okay well we’re not gonna do it that way but that… that that might be the point, and I’m curious how are you get to the point where you allow the signs both positive and negative to equal in volume because that would be the point in time where you know, my older self, where I’m so used to forcing I would push through and I’d be like well let then let’s call somebody else, and let’s figure this out, give me the phone, send me an email, let’s go there, and I would push through it, and that’s like… So can you explain how you got to that point and how are you then… and how you also stay in alignment so that you don’t force things that aren’t. Because you have to put effort into things, that there’s a difference between effort and forcing to the point where you’re getting enough signs, that it it’s kind of turning into a wall.

 

Rhonda – Yeah that’s true. And… I just knew from The Secret that everything was happening for me and that also meant that if there was a block don’t push against it. If there is a block and that is something doesn’t come through straight away, stop. Stop and for example, I’ll give you an example, we filmed a teacher that… that I wasn’t 100% sure about when we film that teacher, but there was a technical problem all through it and it was unusable footage. You know, and so I knew… I knew that that person was not meant to be in it. Then there were other teachers that we contacted that didn’t respond, really well-known ones for example that didn’t respond, and I knew that they were not meant to be in it. I knew… I knew that whatever we needed would be given to us and if there was a block I would not push against it. And as you say actually, it’s very different from what I used to be, because I used to be, oh I will fix this, I will do this, I will get it done, and look for another way, but instead I would stop and I would wait to see what was going to be shown to me, and this is living The Secret. This is really, really living it where you understand that this is a friendly universe, and it is doing everything for you. It is conspiring for you in every single area and with the making of The Secret was the most speculative thing I have ever seen in my entire life, because everything was done for us. And even down to the point where I remember we would be editing and we were like 16 hours in the edit suite editing all of this masses of footage, and then suddenly the system would, rainbow ball, in other words it was it was going to crash, and I would just say to the editor get up walk away, because we were forcing that rainbow ball. We were like we were like this, we were too tense in editing trying to push against time, not relaxed and so the equipment was responding to our pushing, you know and that’s in The Secret too, because it’s… if you were like, I’m gonna be late, I’m gonna be late, and you’re rushing and rushing, then that energy will cause a car to be in front of you, slow, slow down, this will happen, the train line gates will come down, everything will happen. But if you just let it go and you relax which is what I was experimenting with, if I was running late for somewhere, I would do the exact opposite. So I would just let go, I would stop rushing and then everything would just line up, and I would be there on time.

 

Danica – That happens to me sometimes. I say some, I say sometimes because my aggressive driving nature gets the best of me most of the time. But when I’m like you know what just relax instead of speeding up to get by that car, I’ll just fall in line, and wait and then all of a sudden almost every time the car will move over, get off out of the way…

 

Rhonda – Exactly!

 

Danica – …and it will turn, and I’m like why, don’t I do that more often. It works so easy. Like what’s our cultural problem? What our cultural problem and then what is the solution to getting into that mode because and trusting that? I think, I think it’s not even about trusting in it as much I think once you see you see it, but how do we keep ourselves in the mode cos even though I can repeat these kinds of things to you in awareness, there’s something in my brain, and I don’t know if it’s I’m just too high beta state at times, whatever it is, but how do we get down to that state where we are allowing, and flowing, and one with the universe instead of constantly pushing against it?

 

Rhonda – It really is, I didn’t realize what I was doing back then but nowadays I understand what I am doing and I… I have practiced very deliberately to surrender and let go. And so that is what I do constantly, constantly, constantly. Back then I don’t know how I did it, but I would just kind… I just had such faith in the universe because that is the way that I described it. I had set the biggest intention for The Secret and I just knew that everything would happen for us, so we were very much in the flow, and if we were not we stopped. And we just walked away until we felt good, we came back and would continue working when we felt good. When I didn’t feel good I would not answer the phone, I wouldn’t open my computer, I would not do any of those things because if you’re in a really bad frequency and you open your computer, in comes a whole lot of problems, and so on the same frequency, so I wouldn’t open my computer and wouldn’t answer my phone until I would… until I could feel a whole lot better. So that was very deliberate way that I did it then, these days it is very different. I don’t have such a personal attachment to, ‘I am doing this’ with the universe. The universe is doing this for me. I am the universe, kind of one with the universe. And so, I am just in a complete state of allowing, surrendering, letting go, because we are the ones that need to get out of the way. Because everything that will be given to us, that will happen for us, is way beyond what we could even imagine for ourselves.

 

Danica – I could imagine that I’d be striving for it, but when you let go of your own idea of how something could go, your now open to the quantum field of all potentiality that goes far, far beyond what our imagination has even conceived, experienced, seen or caught a glimpse of.

 

Rhonda – Exactly. Exactly because all we can imagine is the mind, and the mind tends to be a recycling machine, and as you say in the quantum area, or beyond the mind is every single possibility, unlimited possibilities. So yeah, I just keep surrendering to all of that and the less we put ourselves in the way, with our fixed ideas, and opinions, and all of those things, you know, and we kind of get those out of the way, the more magnificent our lives become. Absolutely magnificent.

 

Danica – I found the human experience is challenging because it takes experiences, patterns, relationships ,friendships, family, it takes all of these dynamics that push on us to see ourself and it’s hard to see ourself, and so how did you get to that point where you could kind of release and surrender, and get to that point? Did you have… did you process anything about your childhood, was there anything about your upbringing, something about families, something about your own patterning or were you able to just not have to go there and access this potentiality with the simple awareness of The Secret?

 

Rhonda – Right I saw in 2016 I had a revelation of who we really are. And so that is what really changed everything. And even I think in The Secret I would refer we’re the infinite being. I would say it in The Secret, and I definitely believed that, felt that, knew that, it’s just that in 2016 I had the experience of it. And so, I realized then that the person is absolutely the smallest, smallest, tiniest part of us. And so basically, I’ve just spent my time releasing any negativity that arises, any memories that arise, because I know that any negativity that appears or that it… that somebody else triggers with negative feelings or negative thoughts, any memories appear because they are ready to be released from our life. That’s why they’re appearing. They’re ready to be free. And so, I know those things are inside of us, held in our subconscious mind, and when they appear they’re ready to be free, so I learned how to release them really quickly. And it applies to everything that you, everything negative, everything that we consider negative, but I only release the things that appear. If a negative feeling comes along, like agitation or disappointment, like I get so excited because it would mean I could release it, and in the releasing of it, once you’ve released it all, you’ll never feel it again. Like there isn’t anybody that can aggravate you in the outside world. The only reason I can aggravate you is because you have it inside you ready to be released. Right? Which you know very well. So I just kept releasing, releasing, and releasing and what I found is the more I release the happier I got, and so then I would see things like I had beliefs that didn’t serve me, and I would just release the beliefs that didn’t serve me, and oh my gosh.

 

Danica – That’s beautiful and not overwhelming?

 

Rhonda – Not at all. Yeah.

 

Danica – You know because in my mind I think, oh man get through all the trauma, clear a lot of things….like

 

Rhonda – No no.

 

Danica – Ancestral things like, do it again, but right…like how do I get to that? The way you’re describing it, and this is I think one of your many gifts, is to put things simply so it can be comprehended and understood, is that when it comes up, you deal with it. So of course, I’m curious of what that thing was that happened in 2016?

 

Rhonda – I had another kind of moment… I had another moment… and a circumstance happened with the house I was selling, and it ended up that it fell through really quickly. And after I’d made all these plans to kind of move out in a week, and I felt this incredible disappointment in my body, and I was just like how could I feel something like this when I always feel so good? I just didn’t understand that, and so what I what I did was I just decided that I wanted to watch something spiritual. I didn’t want this feeling and so I just wanted to watch something spiritual so the feeling would go away. And I turn on my computer and Conscious TV, and they were interviewing a man called David Bingham, who is just an everyday person like you and me, not a teacher or anything like that, and he talked about how he saw the truth, and became free. And I was like, the truth? And I followed in his footsteps and did what he did, which is listen to a podcast and… by a man called John Wheeler and I listened to that podcast. And you know it’s really interesting because I watched the Conscious TV interview with him several times, I listened to the podcast multiple times, and then I reached out to David to speak to him, and this was over a period of three or so days. And then when I spoke to David, he sort of did an experiment with me where he showed me the… my mind focusing and what’s there if my mind isn’t focusing. What’s behind my mind and it’s been there the entire time for my whole life. Yeah, and it was… I was just…wow!. And David said to me you’ve already seen it before we got on the phone, and I said had I really? And he said yes, but all I know is those few things, and I saw who I was from my own experience. The unlimitedness of who we are, and there are no boundaries and so everything changed again, massively. The way I see the world, and… second huge step to freedom.

 

Danica – Right well it’s just our perception that colors our world. It’s not always nice, sometimes we have things that happen to us, we have patterning from parents, patterning from friends, and in growing up, and environment, television, we have all kinds of different things that give us a perception, and again since it’s so hard to see ourselves, you have to have these moments where you go, oh. So what is the letting go process?

 

Rhonda – It’s a technique that I use to release things, and I’m working on at all of the time, because in fact, I just said to my daughter, I need to find a simpler way of saying this. I just want it to be simpler and I covered it in my book The Greatest Secret but I still, like I’m always looking simpler, simpler, simpler ways. So, one of the things, just to understand, so people can get the feeling is, one of the things that we do is we resist all the way along in our life. We resist when something happens that we don’t want to happen, and I don’t want that, we resist. We’re kind of enjoying…like the things we like but the things we don’t like we’re like pushing them away…

 

Danica – True.

 

Rhonda – …including people or a comment that somebody makes, we don’t like that comment and it affects us. And so, that’s all resistance, and resistance is what causes all the negative feelings, and contractions inside of us. What releasing does, is it stops us from resisting. If a negative subject arises, a negative memory, a negative feeling, it is because we have just resisted. And so to counteract that resisting, and stop that resisting, we do the opposite to resisting. What we do is like I could say just like relax, but I say welcome it. Welcome the feeling, welcome the memory, welcome the thought, and it’s really just that we don’t try and fix it, we don’t try and change it, we don’t try and make it go away, we don’t try and do anything to it we just allow it to be there. And in the allowing of it to be there, we stop resisting and it just the energy just evaporates and very often you can feel the energy unwinding in your chest. It’s just an automatic cleansing system in our body the moment we stop resisting, everything unwinds. You can just do this if nothing appears you can just be really relaxed and just allowing of everything to be just the way it is right now. And so to be very present as well of course helps to do that, and then all the energy that’s trapped just begins to unwind and be released and why we don’t need to go through picking one trauma, one memory after another is because many of them are attached like a train with carriages so we can get one and it just pulls a whole train of carriages all at the same time…

 

Danica – Oh god that’s overwhelming.

 

Rhonda – …it takes a whole lot of memories with it. We don’t need to go through anything one by one, we just need to see the ones that appear, the ones that are triggered, you know the feelings that are triggered by an outside event. I know that you talked about mirroring and that’s what’s so beautiful, is that I mean, I can use the universe as an example will use the people circumstances and events. It will use all of those things to show us what needs to be released you know. It’s just everything that happens to us is the most beautiful gift steeped in love and designed for us to be happier and to be free. And so that’s how I release, now you get you that good at it that, I don’t even know how I do it now, I just kind of, you feel a relief, you just kind of welcome, and just sort of…. sort of thing and immediately you’ll feel a sense of relief through your body, and you just feel this thing dissipate and disappear. And it’s amazing you can have a really strong emotion and it will just evaporate. It’s the best feeling in the whole world.

 

Danica – Do you think that there… Yes it sounds magical, this sounds like floating through life but do you think that there… 2016 was when you were able to sort of sense and feel this, I’m gonna call it from my perspective what would be like the observer? You can access the observer of your thoughts cos we aren’t our thoughts right? So where there’s something that’s able to recognize that we are having the thoughts.

Rhonda – Exactly.

 

Danica – So we can’t be our thoughts cos we know we’re having thoughts, and so do you feel that that this transitioned when you felt that more observer perspective, that instead of things happening to you and being in the moment you’re actually almost looking from above, feeling from above and allowing this sort of exchange of energy to come and release and go because you’re not in it, and you’re not grasping onto either the memory, something you wanted, or identifying with the pain, or some sort of level of victimization, or something you want like it’s more observer mode?

 

Rhonda – Most definitely what it is, most definitely what it is. You become the observer rather than the observer of the person, you know… and the observer of yourself. And so you create this kind of gap so everything’s not as personal, you know, and you just discover incredible things. You allow other things to be released because, and I think you said it in your 20… watch… your 20 things that you realised…

 

Danica – Lessons, oh really you did ….

 

Rhonda – I watched the lessons this morning and yeah one of the things for sure is that you…you begin to see everything really really clearly and you’re not so attached, and you’re not so identified, because when we identify with those things, then we really feel the pain of those things, and as you said, actually nothing’s personal. We feel it’s so personal, everything so personally, it’s not at all personal. And so when you’re the observer then you can have some relief from it not being personal at all. Yeah so.

 

Danica – Do you feel like this also affects the way you see other people? Meaning instead of saying them. do something to you, you actually see their pain and their patterning perhaps, as opposed to why’d you do that to me? You can actually see their light, instead of the projection.

 

Rhonda – Exactly. And you can see that’s where they are. And you don’t have this, if somebody asked for your help, you’ll do anything and you give it, you’re not overcome with this I have to fix everybody. You know because everybody is just in the perfect place where they are. They’re exactly where they’re meant to be. Somebody wrote to me and said how do I get back on track? And I said, well you’re never off track, ever

 

Danica – Explain that, what does that mean for them when you’re, don’t worry about it every everything is perfect, you’re right on track, what is that, what should that be telling them?

 

Rhonda – Well because immediately, first of all immediately you let go of resistance, so the mind is saying, oh you’re off track, you’re off track, and then you believe it, and then you, and then you create it, and then you feel like you’re off track, and I’m saying but you’re actually on track, you’re perfectly on track. Now if I could’ve had a conversation with the person, I would’ve said to them, are you the one that is off track, or are you the one who is aware that you’re off track? Are you the one that’s aware, or are you the one that’s off track? And we are always the one that’s aware, which is the observer right? The observer, and so, that kind of frees you up right away because it stops the mind from kind of getting you and having you identify with this concept, that the mind is that just made up, it just made up this concept, you’re off track, we swallowed it hook line and sinker, we perpetuated it, we’re off track, or believe it. I’m off track, I’m off track, no you’re not you’re perfectly on track, and then to look at it in an even bigger perspective is that we are always exactly what we are meant to be. And Robert Adams used to say, everything is unfolding exactly as it should. And everyone is going to be fine in the end. None of us can be hurt or harmed in the end, none of us, we are all eternal, and it’s up to everybody to discover that about themselves, and I can only encourage people and say, it’s the greatest journey you’ll ever take, is to find out who you are, and to free yourself, it’s really really wonderful, but there’s death of the body for sure but there’s not death of the consciousness of who we are. And so we’re just here having fun.

 

Danica – I’m curious if you feel like you come into… that we come into life as people with a purpose and a mission? I’m asking that because The Secret is all about manifesting your life and asking the universe and sort of allowing the flow of things, so do you feel like you came in with a purpose? And some of your stories you talk about this knowing that you have, there’s like it’s almost like it’s this tiny bit of information that unlocked this huge vast library of… of content and knowing. And so, I wonder where you stand on that, do you feel like you came in with a mission?

 

Rhonda – I do and definitely The Secret was a part of that for sure. I mean I looked back on my life, and I just saw how I had just been shaped all the way along for that moment. I just felt my entire life was heading toward that moment, even to the point of, to give you an example, I worked in television, and I worked in news, and so I was very aware of news manipulating stories the way they wanted to manipulate them, and so when The Secret became massive I had every show and organization wanting to interview me, newspapers and everything, and I knew because of my experience with news that if I succumb to all of that and did all of that, there would just be this thing building you up, and then tearing you down. I knew not to do it. Now I would never have known that had I have not had the experience in news, and so I was very careful about what I did, I did Oprah because I knew that Oprah lived her life, you know this way and so I was very particular about what I did. The other thing was that I wanted to make sure that the message was the star and not me. I’m happy to be there to say this is what I discovered and I had to share it with the world and I really did. I just couldn’t have lived without sharing this. It was a force that was coming through me, so I definitely know that the journey I ended up on was the journey that I was meant to be on, however I want to say that it’s the same for everybody. It’s just more easily marked you know with The Secret because it was a big event. But with everybody’s lives you know they may be a mother and she has three children and she does all of these things of bringing up the children and the children grow up to be beautiful human beings, that is exactly what she was meant to do. She’s meant to be the beautiful mother to have that experience to shape those beings, her children and so, I just know that that’s why we’re on track in every given moment even if we’re hurting. We are still on track now… but what is our purpose? Like our purpose I am absolutely convinced is to find out who we are? I think that’s our purpose is to realize that we are much more than what we’re seeing. And I think that’s our ultimate purpose because when we discover that, we are free. When we discover it, I don’t mean it as a concept or intellectually, when we experience it for ourself then we’re free and then we find permanent happiness, and then we’re not afraid of death, because we know we don’t die, you know so.

 

Danica – Have you had any transcendental or spiritual moments that showed you a different reality, or showed you, showed you perhaps source, god, higher dimension, have you ever had any of those moments?

 

Rhonda – I have, yes I have. I had, probably the one that had the biggest impact on me was when I was a child and I was about 10 or 12 years of age, and I was one of four girls at that time, and we were very protected by my parents, so there wasn’t a lot of socializing in those times, we would just really, the siblings, we would just play with each other but I was sent away to a school camp and that was a really big deal for me to be separated from my family. I’ve never been separated from them before, and I was very shy, and so we went to this camp and somehow or another, I had developed this really really bad… what I came to see later on, a migraine headache. And I didn’t even, I was even, I was so shy I didn’t even tell the teachers that I was so sick, and I remember we were in these huts and we all were put to bed and of course the moment you lay down with the migraine it’s even worse than ever right? I felt so ill and but still too afraid to tell anybody, so I just walked out of the hut, I can’t even believe that I did this, but it was night and I walked out of the hut and down the little steps and this camp was by the ocean and I stood on this cliff edge, and I said in my 12 or 10-year-old way, if there is a God please take away this headache right now. And not only did the headache dissolve instantly, but the most incredible joy and ecstasy and love swept all through me, and I had tears pouring down my face and there… and from that moment on I always knew that God existed. Yeah. Always and so it wouldn’t matter if the whole world said, oh no, no such thing. Now from my own experience I knew it and the way I see that God is very different from the way I saw that God when I was 10-year-old. I saw that it was something separate from me right? You know that God out there, and sort of talking to the sky. So that was a really big experience, but I’ve had many, many, spiritual experiences which like the earlier one that collapsed time and space and where I’m here, but then I’m there.

 

Danica – Wait, what did you tell that story? Was that the reading?

 

Rhonda – The reading one and I’ve been in some places and then I’m in another place.

 

Danica – Tell me more about that? That sounds like fun astral travel.

 

Rhonda – So I was with the teacher and we were 60 miles away from the city and…and I asked this teacher a question about, you know, dimensions and travelling from one dimension to the next, and he… he said close your eyes to all of us in the car. We were travelling on a freeway, and we could see the city way in the distance, like 60 or so miles away so we closed our eyes and next thing there was this bump. And we opened our eyes we were in the driveway, in the city in the driveway. Yeah.

 

Danica – Do you remember what happened in that time frame or was…?

 

Rhonda – There was no time.

 

Danica – So was this a shaman, was this a shaman?

 

Rhonda – No. No. It was just a teacher he was a teacher, and yeah, he just, I think had a really good understanding of time and space, and that doesn’t really exist. Yeah so. I was really lucky because we… there were five people in the car and one of them was my daughter as well so, but what was really amazing about that experience for me, is that, is this, is that what it had me see was that nothing is what it appears to be. And when you can have an experience where what you believe is, you know solid, and can’t move, and when you have an experience like that, it just, you kind of melt and then all of the fixed ideas you have, begin to collapse, the things that you’re convinced that you’re walking into a room. I mean quantum physics tells us, you know… quantum physics tells us that when we walk out of a room it doesn’t exist anymore and the room just appears when we observe it. And so, I mean, I studied quantum physics and so are used to try, and you know catch the room coming back into existence.

 

Danica – Right. Right.

 

Rhonda – Which is really hysterical, right?

 

Danica – There is a really high probability that it is a virtual reality.

 

Rhonda – It definitely is, and I remember a teacher Lester Levenson saying that reality is actually very vaporous, so therefore very malleable. Now I definitely know when I was researching The Secret that I didn’t do it deliberately, but time just collapsed. It just collapsed for me. It’s just, and I was able to do things in kind of no time at all. And you can’t explain that. That’s beyond what we see as reality but I would just say to people that if you look at quantum physics everything that you think is real isn’t real anyway.

 

Danica – Yeah even the doctor… oh sorry the scientist that discovered and I’m not going say this in exact scientific terms, but basically when he discovered that nothing is really real and nothings really matter, it’s energy…

 

Rhonda – It’s energy.

 

Danica – … it’s like, it’s just energy, it’s little tornadoes we are just a little mini tornado. We are at this density that we collect into this form but when he discovered that he got up the next day and put his feet down on the ground and he was afraid he would fall through the floor, because he knew that nothing was actually matter.

 

Rhonda – That is was solid. I can actually relate I can actually understand that. I’ve haven’t had that experience, but I can totally understand that. When you can see that none of it is really there, and I have had realizations of oh my gosh, everything that we experience of the world is all experienced on the inside. We can’t actually prove there’s an outside like I would go out all through these experiments to breakdown the very concrete structure that the mind has created, so that I could open to the possibility of seeing the way things really are. And of course, the way things really are are way more beautiful, is way more beautiful than the way the mind has constructed it. Way more beautiful.

 

Danica – What have you learned? Are you aware of your gifts? Like what you’re able to do, or see, sort of beyond the normal? Any of those kinds of things? Cos I just get the sense that like you have, there’s sort like a claircognizant nature to you where you just know things. Have you ever, have you found those out?

 

Rhonda – Do you know I can remember this mentor of mine… I could see things, light and all kinds of things, and auras, I remember I walked passed a person and could see they had this aura around them, and I’d be like wow, this is so cool. I would see light like someone would be talking and it was on a really beautiful subject and I would see all this light coming from their hand, and I just thought, oh this is so cool. And so, I had a mentor at the time who’s Spanish and an Imperator of an order that helps raise consciousness. I was telling him about all these experiences that I had, and I was super excited to tell him, and he just sat there kind of mmm. He said, it’s normal. It’s normal. And it was really amazing about that because I thought it was like supernatural, but he was telling me it’s all natural. And so anything… the ability to know things, and I do know things, like if I am, like I know for example, there was a friend of ours and she was rushed to hospital, and she was pregnant, and the baby was….. I think she was like 32 weeks and my daughter came to me and said, can you please give her magic dust, so that she will be okay with the baby. And I said that little girl is going to be just fine, and I said she’s having a girl right? And my daughter said, they don’t know what they are having. And I said, oh it’s a girl and she’s going to be fine. And Poppy was born, and she was just fine. And I just knew that. How did I know that? I just knew that but it’s the same for everybody. There’s nothing special here at all, it is just open your mind, just open yourself to the possibility that things are different from the way that you think they are, and that they are more beautiful, more magnificent, more amazing. Because people can be really afraid, you know like you they think all I don’t want to see light. Seeing light is gorgeous there’s nothing to be afraid of, and that’s also the other thing my mentor said to me, there’s nothing spiritual that can ever harm you, there’s nothing to ever be afraid of. Yeah, because people are afraid, they’re afraid of the dark and… No nothing spiritual can ever, ever, harm us. So yes. I just took that into my heart.

 

Danica – I would agree and I would, I mean I have had some weird mystical sort of like scary things that have happened.

 

Rhonda – You have?

 

Danica – Oh yeah yeah. One of them, I mean I’ve heard the good ones the sort of transcendental good ones, but I’ve also had a few bad ones. And I remember one in particular I was, I was in a hotel, and I was asleep, and I woke up to, I woke up, I didn’t wake up, I awoken from my dream to a silhouette of a little boy that was like a black see-through sort of smoky image of like a little boy. And it ran around the room and then it sort of jumped on the bed and started jumping on the bed, and I turned over to go to sleep, like I turned over away from the facing side to the door, and then it laid down in the bed next to me staring at me, and the only thing that I knew to do at that point in time even in my sort of lucid state, was to pray. And so I just asked for this to go, for help, for angels, for all the support, and I fell asleep, and I woke up, and I had cried in the night so like my eyes were crusty, and so things can scare you, but nothing can hurt you.

 

Rhonda – Nothing can hurt you no no. Nothing at all. I mean I can remember my, the ceiling of my bedroom. I would wake up and it would have all these hieroglyphics over it, you know all of these…yeah. I’d be like wow look at that. You know all of these like symbols, Egyptian symbols and everything, and that just did not surprise me because I had traced The Secret back to the ancient mystery schools so the fact that all of this appeared on the ceiling just didn’t surprise me at all. I just laid there and was like wow this is gorgeous.

 

Danica – Have you been to Egypt? I went to Egypt earlier this year finally.

 

Rhonda – No I haven’t.

 

Danica – I have been called to Egypt for probably since I was probably 18 or 19. I thought the oddball place that I wanted to go and so I went this was 20 years ago. Where nobody was wanting to go to Egypt 20 years ago well at least not in my reality. And I finally ended up going and it was one of those scenarios that all went very quick. I was doing a Joe Dispenza, I was with Joe Dispenza in Santa Barbara and it was just like a one day little event and there was about 20 of us, and there was a manifestation technique showed where we write down a letter representing what we wanted to manifest and the reasons why and then elevate emotions and connecting with it and so at dinner that night, a girl turned over and said and she goes I heard you’re interested in Egypt and I said what? I was like shocked do you know what I wrote down? And she said no, she goes but the girl next to me said you were talking about Egypt earlier and there’s a trip in February if you want to go? And so that all came down within two hours after manifesting it, and the funny thing was that I really release the timeline on manifesting it, and I thought I’ll focus on this for the next couple of years if it takes to manifest the right trip, and it came about and so we ended up going in February, and it was so beautiful, and it was just, you know, you really understand, you really get the perspective, the main perspective where is that we don’t get it. Like we don’t see it at all, we don’t know it all, we have no idea how anything is done, we’re talking about what was written on the walls, but we don’t even know how they made the walls. How they are so perfect. How did they do that, we don’t know. And so there is just there is a lot of mystery and so you know, and you talking about the mystery schools, you know I’m not well-versed in that but there’s like Isis’s mystery school, Hathor mystery school, right?

 

Rhonda – That’s right.

 

Danica – They’re all the different…

 

Rhonda – They were masters of the mind. I mean they could manifest incredibly, and they were absolute Masters.

 

Danica – What did you learn about them? What was the mystery schools that you learned when you traced it all right back?

 

Rhonda – Well all of the teachers’ teachings like that we create our reality, and the, that the mind is projecting absolutely everything and so the mind is creating everything and so that was really the biggest thing. I mean basically it’s all the principles of The Secret, I mean it’s just the law of the mind and it’s the way that everything works, and subconscious mind, and the conscious mind, and thoughts, and so all of those things which came from the mystery schools, there was an order where I, is called the Rose Cross Order in Europe, and I landed upon that order when I was going back in time, and that order took me to all of these incredible people. Like Francis Bacon and all these, Victor Hugo and all of these men who knew all of this. Yeah. And Isaac Newton who was a part of this secret order and the reason it was secret was because you were executed if you tried to empower people then. And so they worked in secret but all of their teachings came from the ancient mystery schools. I studied these teachings of the Rose Cross Order. Something like 22 degrees so I’ve studied those over the years since The Secret. And you know it’s incredible because you learn all about just everything. All about physicality, the cycles, Karma, the law of Karma and all of the things that you learn. I saw that you had the book by the three initiates the Kybalion. And so you learn all of those things the law of vibration, the law of gender, and all of those kinds of things. And so I learned all of those things and then many spiritual things. Learned one of the spiritual things I learned was how to pop clouds, and you think why do you need to pop clouds? Well because it shows you the power of the mind and the focus of the mind, and so that’s in a degree like years into a degree, I think it was maybe something like the 11^th degree, and I thought wow can I do this. But you know you’ve taken all of the steps to that path and it’s just understanding that everything is consciousness, and that cloud is not all that way away from me. We were taught to put ourselves in the middle of the cloud and blow it away. I would project myself into the middle of the cloud and I would feel the cold of the cloud all around me, and then I would just blow it away, and I would open my eyes and I would see oh. A whole lot of the cloud is gone and I close my eyes again and I blow again and the cloud would be completely gone. They did that so that you can understand the power of the mind. That all of this is the mind, and we have the power to be able to do things like that.

 

Danica – That’s like the three initiates, the whole thing is that, all is the mind. All is in the mind.

 

Rhonda – All is in the mind. Yeah all is in the mind.

 

Danica – All is in the mind. So how many degrees are there?

 

Rhonda – 33.

 

Danica – Is this the Mason, Masonry?

 

Rhonda – It’s not the Freemasons, no. No it’s completely different to the Freemasons yeah. It’s…  Nobody has ever heard of this order… well nobody… Not so much in the United States. I think more in Europe because the order has… Well at the moment you know it’s in the Canary Islands. But the teachings are translated and you can get, and you get pamphlets and you learn everything about the world, the duality of the world, the mind, karma, the body, you come to understand that the body is a perfect mirror of the solar system, and each organ is reflected in the solar system. As within so without, as above so below. And so all of those things you’re just learning and seeing those things, and it’s just revealed to you very precisely and exactly… yeah. Very exact, and these teachings have been passed on through hundreds of years, and preserved for people you know who are ready to learn about that kind of thing. You learn all about vibration and sounds and the om, and you know what you can even do with the sound, you know how you can use that. I don’t do any of those things anymore. I did and I loved it all oms, the raa’s… I loved doing all of those things and understanding. Like they tell you the lost word and all of those incredible things. I mean I have all of that I guess, so I’ve absorbed all of that. And it’s all fantastic and without a doubt it has helped me on my journey. But I don’t, I’m not kind of seeking out that kind of thing anymore because I feel that I have found all that I needed to find.

 

Danica – What I keep hearing is all in all of the stories that I’m so grateful you’re sharing, they are so interesting is that, you have proven over and over and over in different ways how powerful the mind is. And that might be kind of feeling for even myself, or maybe someone else might need to hear, just try things, just see what you can do, and so since you’ve proven to yourself through these modalities and these techniques and these skills and these ancient traditions, that you have this power. So it’s not a matter of how to practice it, you use it when you need it.

 

Rhonda – That’s true. That’s absolutely true, and my life is so smooth. And also, it’s so smooth but also, I’m so allowing of everything now. I’m just like so if something happens that normally I would think, I don’t want that, or I want to change that, I don’t want to change it. I just know that everything is unfolding perfectly and so if something occurs that is maybe not what I want then I just really release that. I release that feeling and that I don’t want it, and then it changes. That’s the thing, the only reason that something stays the same is because of our resistance.

 

Danica – grasping it.

 

Rhonda – Exactly that.

 

Danica – I’m so good at the death grip to practicing it for 27 years. So fundamentally then in all of this learning, in all of this exposure to these traditions and these.. in history why is it hidden?

 

Rhonda – I would ask that question all the time to the Imperator. I would say to him all of these secrets, they should be released into the world. People should know these things and he would say to me, you know people aren’t ready. They’re not ready to hear these things, and he said, anybody who is ready will be led to these things. So in other words when the student is ready the teacher will appear. Right? And you’ve just got to be on that frequency. I remember that I used to think the Imperator, he would have masters appear, and I want a master to appear. I want a master to appear. And he would say to me, there’s only one master. Yes. Yes. The master is within you. There’s only one and the master is within you. And now I see that. I see all of the things that he used to say to me and that all of them made… Some of them are frustrating at the time…

 

Danica – I was just going say that. They are always frustratingly simple, the advice. That’s not helping, right now.

 

Rhonda – That’s right, and there are things that I discovered like I don’t know 10 years later, and I would say to him, I’ve just had this realization and I would explain it and he would say yes you are correct. And I was like why it would’ve helped me a lot if you told me that 10 years ago, you know. But I wouldn’t have been able to hear it. Like consciousness is expanding and so you can only hear what you’re ready to hear, but I want to say to everybody there is so much for you to hear. There’s so much for you to see and just to… just keep opening yourself to the possibility that there is… nothing is the way that it appears to be.

 

Danica – On the heels of the original inspiration and story about insatiable drive to learn and absorb after reading that book, which I’m so glad I heard the story about your daughter giving you the book because I wondered when I re-watched The Secret the other night, because I was like, I should buff up and re-watch The Secret, and how the post-it on the book it said mamma, you need this, what was it?…

 

Rhonda – Yeah it’s this will help. Mama this will help.

 

Danica – Mamma this will help so I’m glad I heard the story but what is it now and I’m exaggerating it in my words, but I’m using it as an analogy what keeps you up at night now?

 

Rhonda – Just being. Just being. That is such dud answer because it’s not very exciting. So it’s kind of no mind, just letting the mind….and just being and the one thing that I found was The Secret was so extraordinary in helping me use the mind for what it’s meant to be used for which is to create what we want. And so my thoughts became positive and I really became very aware of negative thoughts, and I wouldn’t allow them to rest on me. So my life really became incredible in every area of my life because all of my thoughts were really positive. I would pick people up when they would say something, I’d be like don’t say that don’t say that, change what you’re saying, cancel that out, don’t say that, say what you want, don’t say what you don’t want. And so my life was really really incredible, the difference now is that The Secret helped me so much because it helped me master the mind in that way and now the mind does not have control. It doesn’t have control and so now I have, I exist with this beautiful happiness and just use the mind when I need the mind like to talk to you today, and just use the mind when it’s necessary but the mind is not really as strong, doesn’t have the strength to kind of rise up and take over, and take me down a rabbit hole with some story it’s created, and then have me buy into that story, and believe it, and then have me suffer because of that story. It doesn’t have that kind of power over me anymore and it was just a progression, first of all The Secret and then becoming so aware of your thoughts. You know just becoming aware, and aware of how you’re feeling because feelings and thoughts are both the mind.

 

Danica – Is that what by the way The Greatest Secret this book it’s heavy, it’s really heavy. Is it that gold I’m wondering if it’s actual real gold because is that The Greatest Secret to release the mind that there is no mind.

 

Rhonda – Absolutely it is, that is the way. It is heavy and I think it’s the paper…

 

Danica – It’s beautiful.

 

Rhonda – And it’s thick too. Yeah to release the mind it’s really to… it continues on from The Secret because The Secret tells you how to use the mind to what you want and The Greatest Secret does… it shows you how to release the mind, it can’t be there to torture us, sabotage our life, and create negativity, and with negative thoughts, negative feelings torture us with negative feelings. You know getting angry over things and all of that and keep creating all of the circumstances out in the world, that trick us, so that the emotions arise in us so it’s to be free of all of the suffering. So yeah, that’s really what it is and when you remove all of those things of the mind then what is left is the most exquisite happiness that is unshakeable, will not move even in an urgent situation, you know. If an urgent situation arises that happiness is there, but if an urgent situation arises, you know, you will be led to do exactly the right thing. You’ll be guided to do the exact exactly the right thing whereas the mind will be, what will I do? What will I do? But instead, you are just kind of being placed everywhere perfectly in life, way better than you could ever do yourself.

 

Danica – Ain’t that the truth.

 

Rhonda – Isn’t it.

 

Danica – Ain’t that the truth. Well thank you so much for your 15 years guiding us and exposing The Secret and giving us all tools to happiness and having the things that we really want in life and recognizing at the end of the day our true innate power.

 

Rhonda – Thank you. And thank you so much for having me, it’s been a delight to talk to you.

 

Danica – Thanks everybody for listening to the Pretty Intense Podcast today. I hope you enjoyed it.