Lilou Macé – Hello Rhonda

Rhonda – Hi Lilou

Lilou – So happy to interview you again.

Rhonda – Yes, it’s very nice, twice.

Lilou – Yes last time we had a great time obviously like many people, and I had said it this last time but in 2007, 2006 I should say with The Secret I was totally blown away by the law of attraction and start applying it in my own life, and millions of people starting apply… Started back then to apply it. You have produced it, this this great movie and this book, (The Secret Book) that was sold to millions and millions, in different languages all around the world and it was a big success. So before going into your latest co-creation let’s say, which is the manifestation cards (The Secret Manifestation Cards) with Beyond Words and that is also actually in France, hence this interview that will be translated in French.

Rhonda – Yes, yes.

 

Lilou – We’ll go into details with the cards but first I just want to get the overview for the people that don’t know the law of attraction or that might have a misunderstanding about it, could you just say how you view the law of attraction, or how it even has evolved for you since?

 

Rhonda – Yes. I would be happy to do that. Whenever I describe it it’s always in a different way every single time.

 

Lilou – Good.

 

Rhonda – First of all, we create our reality, we create our life, actually moment by moment through the law of attraction. We create it through our thoughts, and through our thoughts only. Our emotions play a part in it because our emotions have a lot of energy and they energize our thoughts, accelerate our thoughts to manifest, but what we think is what we will experience in our life. So instead of thinking about the things that you don’t want, you just need to start to train your mind to think about the things you do want which is thinking positively. Right? Negatively is thinking about what you don’t want and then your life will completely change. Yes, go ahead.

 

Lilou – Yeah, no, no. I think we’ll go into even greater detail with the different cards because there’s this deck of cards that just came out that allows us to be in this motion and be in this energy of manifesting and remembering, remind ourselves of all those principles, so I think it’s great that you have done that. So, we’ll go even in greater details later thoughts are energy you’re saying and there’s three steps to manifesting. Can you remind us, what are those three steps?

 

Rhonda – Oh good for you. The three steps that we give in The Secret are, ‘ask’ which is getting clear about what you want, ‘believe’ that you already have what you want.

 

Lilou – That’s a big one.

 

Rhonda – Yeah, it’s the big one, it’s the main one. And when you believe that you already have it, you will ‘receive’ it. So it’s ‘ask’, ‘believe’, ‘receive’. The moment that you fully believe you already have it, it will manifest. It’s just that simple, so then you have to play kind of games, to have yourself… make yourself believe that you have it already. And why

do we have to believe that we have it already? The reason that we do is because for the law of attraction there’s no time. There’s no time for any law actually, all of the laws of physics they’re operating now, now, now, you know not in the past not the future.

 

Lilou – So it’s like, you would say that past, present, future, are coexisting.

 

Rhonda – Yes exactly. And if we, for example this is how sensitive law of attraction is, if we are wanting to manifest, I don’t know, pair of sneakers that we really want to get, and so where we are thinking about those sneakers as something we’re going to have in the future then we will attract always having to have the sneakers in the future. Right?

 

Lilou – They’ll never come.

 

Rhonda – Yeah, we have to see it as now, because the law of attraction does not care one bit whether it is real or imagined.

 

Lilou – So how do you explain, sorry. How do you explain then that sometimes it’s even better than what we have thought… when it manifests?

 

Rhonda – Yeah, it often is that way. It has been for me, most certainly, but I always make sure that when I want to manifest something that I always say, or more. I always add the words. We tend to limit our lives down to like the size of a pea when we are the most powerful beings in the Universe.  I am always breaking limitations so if I think that I might need x amount of time for something, not to manifest, but x amount of time for something then I will say or less. You know. Or if I’m wanting to manifest… if somebody wanted to manifest money I would never say, I would never like visualize, I want to manifest $10,000. That is so limiting, you have to say or more, or more. Yeah.

 

Lilou – So let’s go straight into one of these cards. I mean the third step, I don’t know if you mention it, but it’s receiving.

 

Rhonda – Receiving and that is… that’s when it manifests. It’s receiving, and for receiving, I mean for receiving you need to feel good. Because something isn’t going to manifest when you’re feeling bad. It’s going to manifest when you’re feeling good.

 

Lilou – Okay.

 

Rhonda – I can go into that but that’s kind of frequencies.

 

Lilou – Yeah. So, you were mentioning… We’re going to go more into, I mean into this topic obviously with the cards. I think it’s because I’m excited with those cards. ‘YOU WERE BORN A CREATOR’, that’s one of them.

 

Rhonda – Yeah.

 

Lilou – Can you comment on that? You were starting to speak about that, the global picture of who we really are, and we don’t even know yet. I mean we’re just starting to discover.

 

Rhonda – We’re just starting, yeah. I mean we’re appearing as an individual person, but that is the smallest part of us. We’re actually never born. The consciousness of us was never born and never dies, it’s completely eternal. Certainly, the body is born and the body ends, but we are far greater than that. It’s that power that we are, there is actually no other power in the Universe than the power that we are. No other. There’s just one power, and that’s us and so that’s why we can manifest things when we have focus, and we believe that we have it, is because the ‘all power’ that we are, is manifesting that.

 

Lilou – You’re saying like another card is, YOU ARE AN ETERNAL BEING, so basically that’s related to that.

 

Rhonda – That’s related to that, yeah. Never born and never die and that applies to every, I want to say not only every human being that appears, but every living being, everything, our pets, our everything. There’s no… and we already know that energy can’t be created or destroyed. If we look at it from an energetic level it can’t be created or destroyed it just transforms. There’s just no death in existence.

 

Lilou – And we are afraid of dying.

 

Rhonda – I know, right? It’s crazy.

 

Lilou – It’s crazy. Yes, so let’s go into the next one. ‘BE AWARE OF YOUR POWER’. So, this is owning it, knowing it, feeling it, how would you describe it? So that because we can’t even cope with it intellectually, so how can we be aware of our power? Are there practices, or what would you recommend so that we get a glimpse of it even?

 

Rhonda – I think it’s always if somebody is beginning, I think it’s always good to start manifesting something small. When they’re manifesting something small then that will help their belief factor. They will begin to see the power that they have, and it’s a really good idea to choose something that when it manifests you absolutely know without a doubt that you created that. I remember we got a story from a guy, and he wanted to manifest this particular feather which he made up in his mind, the colors, blue and all these dots, and all of this kind of thing. He flew to New York for a business meeting, and he was walking into this high-rise building, and he just happened to look down on the ground and there was the feather. Exactly as he imagined it. So of course, he knew without a doubt that he had manifested that. I think to choose something you know that you know for sure, that you did it. Starting with smaller things, car parks, cup of coffee, all of those kinds of things. Even like   what the currency with Euros, but you know X amount of Euro, a note of Euro that you want to manifest.

 

Lilou – How do you know like, you said earlier past present future are coexisting, so how do we know that we’re not getting that thought of that manifestation that we want because it already exists on some levels, you know, it seems like the more we practice the more we kind of fine tuning more easily between all those different temporal lines.

 

Rhonda – Well it’s really interesting that you… no one’s ever noticed that before but when I said before, nothing can be created or destroyed, right? Nothing can be created that means everything already exists. It already exists. So that means every thought already exists.

 

Lilou – That means every possibility exists.

 

Rhonda – Every possibility…

 

Lilou – We might as well claim it.

 

Rhonda – Exactly right. And we get this, we think that oh it’s going to be hard to manifest for example a car. It’s a big deal it costs a lot of money you know that’s going to take a long time to manifest that. But it already exists, otherwise you wouldn’t have the thought of it. It already exists so you’re right, claim it. You know drive the car in your mind, be in the car and do all of those things, and feel the car, and I mean it’s that easy. I would say the difference between now and when I first discovered The Secret is that manifesting is way easier even than when…

 

Lilou – What still gets on your way, is there something, have you discovered something that most human, are you it gets on your way for not manifesting instantly?

 

Rhonda – I think for a lot of people they have beliefs like they don’t deserve it. They didn’t work hard enough for it. One of the things for example that I think so many people have, and if I mention this then the people listening or watching will be able to let this belief go. Most people have the belief that the only way that money can come to them is through their work, through their job. And you know the minute that you believe that you stop the Universe from delivering money to you in all kinds of ways. There are unlimited ways that money can come into each of our lives but if we think the only way that money can come to us, is if it is through our job then, you know, we used the Genie, ‘Your Wish is My Command’, you know. Whatever you think, ‘your wish is my command’. Whatever you think ‘your wish is my command’ We need to break those beliefs that don’t serve us and

instead believe that money can come to us in unlimited unexpected ways.

 

Lilou – Yes. Actually, since everything is coexisting at the same time there is just unlimited amount of money, we might as well claim it again.

 

Rhonda – Exactly.

 

Lilou – ‘CHANGE YOUR THOUGHTS, CHANGE THE FUTURE’. So, this is as you were saying earlier. I’m showing the card, another one.

 

Rhonda – Yes.

 

Lilou – At the end of every day before you go to sleep think through the events of the day, if any events or moment didn’t go the way you want replay them in your mind the way you want them to go. Tell us more about that?

 

Rhonda – I really love this.  I discovered this through a teacher Neville Goddard, and he called it ‘the pruning shears of revision’. I really love it and because you just take something in the day that didn’t go the way that you wanted. Well, the difficulty is if it didn’t go the way that you wanted and you didn’t let it go, you know, completely let it go emotionally and mentally, then we we’ve stored it in our subconscious and it’s going to attract a similar situation. We need to we need to let that energy go out of our body so by going back over the day and seeing something that didn’t go the way that we wanted, and then we replay it, not only are we preventing it from happening again in the future we are actually giving law of attraction something that we want. It’s really fantastic thing, it’s a really fantastic practice to do, really, really great.

 

Lilou – We can do that with our past since its existing right now.

 

Rhonda – Yeah, yeah.

 

Lilou – So impacting our future and our present. There is only really the present then.

 

Rhonda – There is. There’s no past and there’s no future and how do we know that there’s no past and no future well for a start you can’t even get a little toe into the past. Like we can’t step into the past, oh excuse me, I’ll just go back to yesterday, and likewise we absolutely cannot step into the future. And all that ever exists is right now, and I think that is also one of the tricky things for human beings because they’re living in the future in their mind but the problem with that with law of attraction, they will keep attracting the same thing in the future that never exists, and it won’t ever come into their life now.

 

Lilou – I have a manifestation question since it’s called manifestation cards (The Secret Manifestation Cards). Is there any other better way than after actually having done some work on ourselves, liberating some old belief, liberating some trauma, start to sit in the space of nothingness, let’s say, and just let the manifestation come to us instead of imposing them mentally, you know what I mean? Like we have a tendency to want to

fix things, and we want to manifest sometimes for the wrong reason. Whereas there is something really even more effortless that seems to come from the source for us?

 

Rhonda – There is yes… and which is what I do these days rather than… I just feel that the Universe and life will give it to me with way more bows and whistles if I don’t get in

the way of it. That’s because our imagination and our mind is actually limited, except consciousness and the Universe. Consciousness or the Universe is completely unlimited and so we can just by feeling good, just by appreciating, being grateful, and living our life like that, living our life in the present and not believing negative thoughts and getting caught up in anything like that. I mean, oh my gosh, life will be an avalanche of goodness and riches in life. And riches in every area, you know. Riches in health, and relationships, and not just financial. I was talking to a man yesterday and he was actually featured in one of the books HERO and he’s a multi multi-billionaire and he gave away a billion dollars you know. He was telling me yesterday he gave away a billion dollars. Do you know he contacted me when The

Secret came out, and a lot of people did, but just I don’t know for some reason I just responded to him, and he wanted to tell me that this is how he had been successful. He did he did everything that I talked about in The Secret Book, and so we’ve stayed in contact ever since. He does gratitude every single day, his life, he just describes his life, is just incredible. His life is so beautiful when he’s on the phone with me he’s always talking about how beautiful the sunset is that he’s seeing, and I mean he’s just…

 

Lilou – Raising his frequency.

 

Rhonda – …honestly. He’s like the perfect example of living The Secret, absolutely perfect example. His life is incredible he puts no limitations on anything.

 

Lilou – There’s one of the cards. I don’t think I have it here from the selected, but it’s called Gratitude is the riches.

 

Rhonda – Yes. GRATITUDE IS RICHES. What is poverty…

 

Lilou – There several other ones that I have here…

 

Rhonda – Gratitude is riches complaint is poverty. Yeah, that’s one of the things.

 

Lilou – GRATITUDE IS THE GREAT MULTIPLIER. Let’s talk about that one for a second.

 

Rhonda – Yeah okay so in terms of law of attraction, remembering that for law of attraction it is seizing every thought, and it doesn’t care whether that thought is here, or whether that’s a real thought, or whether you’re fabricating, it doesn’t care, it will fulfill. That’s what it will do. It’s just like a giant photocopy machine and it will send what you’re thinking back into your life, as the circumstances of your life. With gratitude if you’re

being grateful for just what you have even if it’s not much, will, just by the law of attraction is automatically set free for the forces to bring you more. It’s the way that it happens, and I just think it’s the easiest way to see law of attraction. Because for a start, when you do gratitude, you feel really, the more that you do it you feel really good. Your heart kind of melts, the mind stops going crazy, and then already, you’re in the most incredible manifesting place because the way to manifest fast is through joy, the highest frequency there is. Then you’re just going to manifest almost instantaneously because you’re in joy and so gratitude has you let go of resistance, and law of attraction will just multiply whatever you’re being grateful. So, you can be grateful for things you don’t have.

 

Lilou – Yeah. There’s another card, HAPPINESS ATTRACTS HAPPINESS. So, this is what we’re talking about, more of that.  the more we emit that the more we receive that.

 

Rhonda – Yes. So every moment each one of us is… we’re vibrating energy and we’re vibrating at a frequency, and how do we know what frequency we’re vibrating at, we can tell by how we’re feeling. For example, if we’re feeling sad, well sadness attracts more sadness, and anger attracts more anger, and we know that. Something goes wrong in the day, and we get angry, and then more things go wrong, and so anger attracts more anger,

happiness attracts more happiness, joy attracts more joy.

 

Lilou – A lot of people talk about how powerful the sound is and the Universe is being created through sound, is there such a sound for you that works great, to to be in those frequency is it maybe, sacred mantras, or maybe it’s songs, or type of music that you personally listen to, to bring you to higher vibration, and switch maybe sometimes to bigger joy?

 

Rhonda – Definitely use music to feel amazing. These days I feel pretty incredible most of the time. I’ve kind of stabilized at a higher level of Happiness earlier I was a little bit like a roller coaster. But just by persisting with it and letting go all the time, and not letting emotions bother me, you kind of sit at joy, but now I forgot your question.

 

Lilou – Whether, like what kind of music would you listen to, your sound to bring your frequency higher? Like examples?

 

Rhonda – Yes, I do. I will listen to music, and I often give that advice to people, if there is a song or a piece of music that you cannot stay still. Like it just fills your body and affects every cell in your body then if you’re feeling low, or you’ve woken up a bit grumpy, or whatever, listen to that song and let that song lift your frequency so you don’t go out into the day grumpy. Because you go out into the day grumpy, guess what you got ahead?

 

Lilou – You’re going to attract grumpy people and grumpy reasons to be grumpy.

 

Rhonda – Yeah rude people.

 

Lilou – (French conversation behind the camera that Lilou must attend to)

 

Rhonda – Is she okay?

 

Lilou – Yes. She is, she was, she’s hungry that’s her way to get attention right now.

Let’s talk about this card, YOUR HEART IS THE SEAT OF YOUR POWER.

 

Rhonda – Oh I know that you just asked me a question, is there a word I use… by the way, and there is a word that I use.

 

Lilou – Yeah

 

Rhonda – And the word is LOVE.

 

Lilou – Love.

 

Rhonda – I will chant that word.

 

Lilou – Love in English or in another language?

 

Rhonda – In English. It doesn’t matter which language, as long as you know what that feels like, but that’s the word that means so much to me, and that’s the word that I feel the frequency of that when we create something new. I really send that into everything we create.

 

Lilou – Wonderful. YOUR HEART IS THE SEAT OF YOUR POWER. So, this is it, you’re talking about love right now in the world, love you’re connecting to the love. To greater love, I guess to the love that there is Source, the Divine love, the Agape love maybe even?

 

 

Rhonda – Yes true. What do I say on that card? Because I can’t remember.

 

Lilou – You say, ‘YOUR HEART IS THE SEAT OF POWER.  Here’s a way to instantly stop a downward negative spiral: Focus on your heart. Breathe in deeply, keeping your focus on your heart, and concentrate on feeling love in your heart. Breathe out while keeping your focus and feeling the love in your heart. Repeat this a total of seven times.

 

 

Rhonda – Yes okay. So, heart breathing is a really big deal. Like I’ve, through heart breathing, I’ve stopped a dog from having a stroke. It takes a little bit of practice to get the feeling. So, we’re just like looking at this central area to feel our heart and the way that I learned to do it was to imagine breathing in and breathing out, that my breath was going in through the heart and out through the heart. I close my eyes and I would breathe in, and then I would breathe out, and just be focusing on the heart. And you can get to a point where you just feel like, all of this tingling joy all through your heart. Then I focus on love and then sending that out. That was something that I did every single day when we were making The Secret and I was having my morning coffee, and I would do that and I would just send it out to the world.

 

Lilou – It seems like the heart is like a portal I mean like each chakra I guess are portals, but this one is quite particular, no?

 

Rhonda – Yes it is. I think so too, it’s a beautiful thing when… I think the Heart Math Association who are here in California called it, when the heart gets all tingly, it’s like a crystallization that’s taking place. Oh my gosh it’s incredible because if you got to that point then what you need to do is think about what you want to manifest, because you’ll manifest it really fast.

 

Lilou – Wow thank you for saying that it’s beautiful. CREATE YOUR TOMORROW TODAY. So some powerful rituals before going to bed you’re saying on this card. Every night, replay the good moments of the day and think about the next day, and intend that it is going to be the best day of your life.

 

Rhonda – Yes it’s really important to…

 

Lilou – that it is going to be the best day of your life, sorry, yes.

 

 

Rhonda – Yes, it’s really important to choose, you know we need to make decisions and we need to choose what we want to happen in our lives. Just to wake up and go into the day and not have made any choice, what happens then is you’re going to experience other people’s choices and they might not be good. Generally, they’re not. So, you need to say, you just need to say, you’re the all power, you can say what kind of day you’re going to have. To do it the night before you know going back over the day and looking for the best thing that happened that day, or the good moments of the day, kind of has your heart melt a bit which then makes you way more powerful for setting intentions for the next day, but everybody, set intentions. Set intentions before you go to the dentist, before you go to the doctor, before you have a test, before you do exams, you know, before you get married, before you go to dinner, you know. Set intentions before you drive the car.

 

Lilou – I love there is something with Access Consciousness and they have this little sentence too that says, ‘how does it get any better than this’. I love it when I manifest something to keep on opening it up, instead of, ‘oh my God’ this is so great that this is how good as it gets, or I don’t know what sentence we put out there at that time.

 

Rhonda – Yeah, yeah.

 

Lilou – Topping it.

 

Rhonda – Yeah topping it exactly, limiting it.

 

Lilou – Ah instead of keeping on opening this beautiful space but then at some point we get a little bit anxious, no? It’s so big and it seems out of control, and we keep on manifesting bigger. Did you fell this already in comfort of ‘oh my God’ this is it, it’s manifesting and all

of a sudden it keeps on opening, opening, opening and all of a sudden, it’s kind of like climaxing to this level where it’s too much?

 

Rhonda – Yes certainly with The Secret, I felt that because it was just so massive. So massive at the time when it went around the world. I never kind of felt it was too much though because, all the only thing that I needed to rein in was the media, you know, because it was just every radio program in the world, every newspaper, every television show wanted me on it and I wasn’t interested in in doing that. I wasn’t interested in having… trying to prove anything. The Secret was sharing what I knew was the absolute truth for those people who wanted it, and I wasn’t out to go proving anything with any journalists, or… So I was very particular but I had a media background so I had good training to just do Oprah, and you know.

 

Lilou – That was a safe one, yeah. That was a good card, Oprah card fine.

 

Rhonda – Exactly.

 

Lilou – There is one here, just few more. EVERYTHING IS ON TRACK – ALWAYS. that’s a good thing to remind ourselves.

 

Rhonda – Yes. It’s one of the questions that if I’m meeting some new people, I can just about guarantee you that they will say, can I ask you a question? ‘Oh my gosh what about the world, the current state of the world, and everything that’s happening.’ And it is really challenging you know, but I’ve listened to recordings of the 1930s where teachers are saying, ‘I know it’s really hard times the world is in a terrible state at the moment’, and so it’s actually no different than it was back then. When something’s happened already, what we need to appreciate and understand and accept, is that that was the way that it was going to happen, because it’s already happened. So everything is on track, and always, always, always and none of us die. That’s the thing you know to understand, right? When you say everything is on track, none of us die, and it is even greater than that, but no one dies.

 

Lilou – See what is even greater than that.

 

Rhonda – Oh okay, that no one is hurt or harmed. Ever. Yeah.

 

Lilou – Ever.

 

Rhonda – Ultimately ever.

 

Lilou – So it’s an illusion we have? There seems to be quite a lot of Illusions we’re having.

 

Rhonda – Oh yeah there’s a lot, and they’re very convincing aren’t they.

 

Lilou – They are, they feel real.

 

Rhonda – They’re so convincing but I just think certainly every single one of us will have times in our life of suffering, but through that suffering we come out the other end and we have learned a lot, we’re wiser, we’re way better for it, we’re far more compassionate…

 

Lilou – Yes

 

Rhonda – … to other people than we were before it occurred. Like if you have… if you lose somebody very close to you from that moment on you will be a strength to other people that are going through that. All of those things help to shape us and let us experience. I remember my mentor, a mentor of mine from Canary Island said to me when I was going

through really challenging event, and he said to me, ‘God never gives us anything that we don’t have the ability to overcome’. And he said, ‘you’ve been given this because you can overcome it’. And it was just like…

 

Lilou – Breathe into that. Haha!

 

Rhonda – Haha!

 

Lilou – Yes. There’s this other one, PROSPERITY IS YOUR BIRTHRIGHT, and everyday think thoughts of abundance, be happy now, be grateful. I mean I feel we have already spoken about that one, but this is a good one to pick up here and there.

 

Rhonda – Everything like… We if we look at it from a Consciousness level, we own everything in the world. We’re incredibly wealthy because everything is ours. There is on a spiritual level, there’s only one. One being so that means that absolutely everything belongs to us but aside from that on the earth level and on the physical level prosperity is ours and it is naturally ours. Everybody would be prosperous and there’s no limit to that prosperity it’s not as though only some people can have it, like it currently is, and others can’t. No there’s absolutely no limit to it and so why isn’t everybody prosperous, because the majority of

people are thinking about a lack of money rather than prosperity, right?

 

Lilou – Yes

 

Rhonda – They’re focusing on not enough, what they don’t have, you know, that they don’t deserve something, if they didn’t, you know, nearly kill themselves working to get it. So all of those kinds of beliefs prevent the prosperity from naturally pouring in. I mean we are the ones that’s stopping it.

 

Lilou – Right and prosperity is not an end in itself neither.

 

Rhonda – No it’s not. No it’s not, like I think the answer for anybody and I say it in The Secret Book and it’s just like so simple, is if you could just choose to be happy now no matter what, you do your best to be happy each day, set an intention, ‘I’m going to be as happy as I can be tomorrow’ and you get yourself stabilized on that high frequency, honestly you do not have to visualize or imagine anything. It’ll just all come.

 

Lilou – So just pick, pick a card, pick a card every day, every morning, that’s the ritual that you propose to us every day pick a card and put it there, set it there, and focus on that the whole day.

 

Rhonda – Exactly. Exactly. Because that will stop our mind from taking us down a track that sabotages our life and instead will put us on a track that enhances our life.

 

Lilou – Beautiful. Well thank you so much Rhonda. So exciting to have you today, thank you so much for being available, and shining your love and light as always.

 

Rhonda – Thank you, thank you, thank you Lilou. Much love.

 

Lilou – Thank you and yes. Please share this video if you liked it. Obviously, it’s in French too so we can go all around the world to many, many countries. Sending you much love and see you later. Bye!

 

Rhonda – Bye!

Podcaster, Kelly Noonan Gores, hosts creator and author of The Secret, Rhonda Byrne on the HEAL podcast, as they talk about The Secret’s influence on global consciousness, the worldwide movement it sparked, and Rhonda’s latest creation: The Secret Manifestation Cards.

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Kelly Noonan Gores – Hey everyone and welcome to the HEAL podcast. I am beyond over the moon thrilled with my guest today. Miss Rhonda Byrne, Creator and the Executive Producer of The Secret, and the book The Secret which has just taken the world by storm, and was on the New York Times bestseller list for I think for over 200 weeks, the top of the bestseller list. I mean she’s just sold 34millions copies and her work, your work Rhonda has changed my life, and was a big precursor honestly to me making HEAL so it is a long time coming but I just really appreciate you coming on the show and telling us about The Secret.

Rhonda – Oh wow thank you so much and that makes me really happy if it inspired you because HEAL is fantastic. I just think the more people that can get out there and talk about the truth the world will be way better for it. It’s such a joy to be here so thank you for having me.

 

Kelly – Thank you, such a joy. So yes, The Secret, I watched The Secret in, I think 2007 and I started to apply the gratitude journaling, you know obviously I shifted my perception of life, I was like, whoa! We aren’t victims of life we are co-creators and that was so empowering and the practice that I put into right away was gratitude journaling because I’ve always been a writer so I was writing ‘as if’ I had the thing that I desired, and in three months I manifested this job that I didn’t even know existed and all of a sudden I was making the money and getting, you know, the things that I was dreaming about, and giving thanks for in my journal, I was able to access now with this new job. It was wild so, I became a believer, and you know my life was proof that it works, you know.

 

Rhonda – Yeah, I was a believer, boy. I’m a believer, big time. And even if I think about to go back to when we first made The Secret and when we were making the documentary, we were at the very same time practicing it. So, making mistakes and then getting it right, and all of those kinds of things, but if I think back to then, and then think about my journey from then to now and how much more that I’ve come to understand, it’s just, it’s way more. You know, now I don’t believe now, I know, it is absolutely it. If you want to have a really good life and just do and be and have all the things you want to have, it is all based on mental and emotions, it’s that, you know, it’s not hard it’s that easy and somehow people kind of sabotage themselves. Every day more people become freer and that’s what I dream about.

Kelly – Well I’d like to go back to the very beginning, I think it was, you know, as I was taking notes it was September 9^th at like 9 o’clock or the Great Awakening 999.

 

Rhonda – yep.

 

Kelly – I’d love for you to tell that story of the awakening to The Secret and then knowing you had to share it and then I have some questions because I am in awe of how just, with that, I want to know more about the awakening, and then how the conviction that you had, in spite of having no evidence to believe that at the time.

Rhonda – Yeah true. Okay so let’s go the story first and then we can go to the conviction. So 2004 was a really rough year for me. It kind of began with my father dying suddenly on the 1^st of March and my parents just had the greatest love affair I’ve ever seen. It was devasting to wake up one day and just like that he was gone. My mother was in such grief and that year I was…. I have a production company and that year we were making documentaries, well actually no they were more like kind of films, but on unsolved murders, of all things…

 

Kelly – Yeah.

 

Rhonda – …of all things. So we have six of those going and I had heaps of crews and edit suites, and we really prided ourselves on the fact that we had amazing teams of people, and the production values of everything we made and how we treated our staff, except with this everything that could go wrong went wrong. I mean I was on a frequency of grief, and you know if I think about it, I probably was the cause of all of it. Everything that could have gone wrong went wrong. I was sleeping on edit suite floors, I wasn’t seeing my family, I wasn’t seeing my friends, health was in a really bad way, and then on the 9^th of September I got a phone call from my accountant saying, ‘you are going to lose everything in 30 days because you’ve gone over budget, $2million over.’ It makes it sound like a had millions of dollars around me, I didn’t. How could we be $2million in debt? He said you are going to lose everything. I was just like, I fixed everything my whole life. You know if there had been a problem, yeah, I’ll fix it. This was just overwhelming, like your whole life flashes before you. I hung up the phone and it was a hard line at the time, oh gosh. I hung up the phone and as I hung up it rang again, immediately, and so I thought it was him back, and it was my mother, but I couldn’t even recognize her voice, she was so grief stricken. She said she can’t go on. Oh gosh. So, I talked to her for a while, she lived a long way away from me and I told her I’d be there in the morning, and I talked her through until I felt she was good, and then I hung from her. Here I had two things that I just couldn’t fix. Like, how could I fix these things? I remember I was in an apartment, and I stepped out onto the balcony, and I just went into absolute despair. I’ve thought about that moment so many times because I think what I did was I completely and utterly surrendered. It was too much you know; it was all too much, and I was weeping, weeping and my daughter saw me and came out and said, ‘what’s wrong?’ I didn’t really want to go into it though, and I just said, some things have gone wrong. What would she have been, a teenager, early 20s or something like that, and anyway she just shrugged her shoulders, disappeared, and came back with this crumpled up photocopied lump of paper with a bulldog clip on it, and said, ‘here read this, it will help.’ I mean, bizarre, bizarre, right? And what’s more I went inside, I sat on the… I staggered to the edge of the sofa, and I started reading it. My tears were hitting the paper, and the ink was running and everything, and I’m reading this in 1 1/2 hours my life totally changed. Everything that I believed was true was, I knew was not, and that book everybody’s thinking what was it that she read? We have it to download, and it is a book from 1910 by Wallace Wattles, and it was ‘The Science of Getting Rich’ which was about getting rich in life. When I finished that book, I understood way more than what was in that book, way more. I knew so much, but anyway, that was the beginning, and basically what I did from there was I read every one of Wallace Wattles’ books, I then looked to see who his mentor was. Then I read every book of his mentor, and then I look to see who that person’s mentor was, and I read every book of theirs and I went back through history mentor, mentor, mentor, mentor until I got to… well I went all the way back to the Emerald tablet which was thousands of years BC.

 

Kelly – Pretty far, yeah.

 

Rhonda – I just kept going back through history. That was what I did first, I didn’t talk to anybody about it. Then I just kept researching and it was amazing because wherever I looked, I saw it. You know, in all religions and all teachings and I could see it was everywhere, but if you didn’t know what you were looking for, or you didn’t know what it was, you would completely miss it. I thought about all the people that I knew, and I looked out at the world and so few people know this, no one knows this, no one knows this. I was determined that I would share it with the world. I mean I had a production company, so I did have a way of doing that. So, the first thing I did was that I went to my accountant that said I was going to lose everything in 30 days, and I said to him, ‘we’re about to make something that is going to change the world. I don’t know what you’re going to do but you have to keep me afloat so I can make this.’ You know to this day I really don’t even know where the money came from. When we needed money to pay the team, I would suddenly get a check from a UK show that we made and they’d done repeats or something, and it was enough to pay the team. That was the beginning of the most exciting incredible journey of my life. And everything that happened in the making of it, could make the best ever movie.

 

Kelly – Oh I bet. Please make that movie. It’s so interesting because I know a lot of people that resonated with The Secret but then tried to apply it and got stuck, and I think for me, just in researching having you come on, because The Secret was such a huge part. I watched it. It changed my life, and then I was like when I started learning about co-creation, and how it had to do with health and epigenetics, and we’re not victims of our genes. I literally was like everybody has to know this, and I read Anita Moorjani’s story of the near-death experience and how her physical body was as far gone is it could possibly be and with the shifting consciousness, she came through it and healed, so that so much more is possible. Like you, I just have to make this film, everybody needs to know this. I applied it to my life but then I feel that I forget. Like I know how powerful it is and I’ve manifested an amazing incredible life, but then I’ve had like one of the toughest years of my life. I’ve gotten derailed and just in the last days leading up to this just getting back and absorbed into your work and getting out your manifestation deck, and pulling cards, I was like, oh my god it is so easy, but then this morning happened, and something happened. Last night I was so inspired, and I was my gosh, all knowing, and as you were talking about it, it’s almost like a remembrance, I was remembering her we really are, and remembering how it really works.

 

So I got so excited last night and felt so empowered and then I woke up in the morning and it’s been happening with every interview, like something derails me to teach me the exact lesson, to go talk about it in the interview. I just got knocked off by this intense conversation this morning, and then I went to tennis, and I couldn’t get it out of my head, so I played bad tennis, and I’m thinking of you, and okay, how do I get back to the positive side? I was just consciously being aware but then still struggling on how to get back to positivity and wanting to feel good. And then on the way to this interview something, a work issue came up, that was total mercury retrograde and I was like, this stress was coming. How do we not forget this? When life throws you something that sends you into fear or terror, how do we pull ourselves out of it? I think that people struggle with the… people struggle with the belief because they get caught in the how, Like, how is this going to happen? How is this going to get better? How is this going to go good?

 

Rhonda – I think… There are various levels and The Secret I think it the very first step to absolute freedom, and there is a level beyond that as well which is, we can talk about that, or not, but with The Secret, you’re dealing with the mind, and the mind is a slippery little sucker, because it will… I don’t know it thwarts every single person, everyone has a mind, and everyone has that chatter going on, and on, and on, and so when something, when something really tricky comes along or something challenging comes along, I mean the mind just loves that energy, loves that emotional energy, loves the stress and the mind is also bringing the emotion. It is our thoughts and emotions, so it’s bringing all of that and you can just feel everything in your body, like every cell in your body is feeling stressed and the way to get around that is to be practising every day. Because if you’re practising every day you’re retraining your mind to be picking out the positive instead of the negative. You’re also changing your frequency, going up, up, up because the kinds of things you’re talking about they’re just all on that really stressful frequency, so when you had one thing wrong and you went down with that, then on that frequency are all the all of those other things…

 

Kelly – right.

 

Rhonda – …and you just get them one after the other, after the other, and so that you’re not down on that frequency, if your practising every day if you’re doing like gratitude every day or whether you’re writing it down, or whether you’re reciting it, whether you are doing affirmations, visualisation, when we are working from the mental plan it’s so important to maintain it, because if we don’t maintain it, then we will slip and we will have trouble with something that comes along. The way to avoid all of that is to be practising. It’s kind of cumulative so you don’t have to be sitting down doing gratitude every morning, but in the beginning you do, and in the beginning, I would say absolutely. What I used to do when we were making The Secret was not get out of bed until I had tears of gratitude in my eyes.

I would go through all the gratitude of all the people that I’m grateful for, and everything that I’m grateful for, and then when I had tears in my eyes, because I knew then I had really released all resistance, and that I had a complete meltdown and that my frequency was incredible to go ahead and make The Secret. That was what I did, and I did it every day. I don’t do it these days, but I do say thank you as I walk to the bathroom, and if something goes a little pear-shaped in my life, immediately I do gratitude. Immediately. When we are working from the mind, it’s just a program, that is all it is. When we are working from the mind, we really need to be putting the positivity in and then you just won’t have the same reaction when something comes along. It won’t affect you the same way you won’t say it is such a big problem. It will just be water off your back and the one thing is for sure you won’t have all the other things that follow. It just won’t be the same severity. I was so aware of my frequency and that I needed to feel good to make The Secret that if I woke up and I was sort of a bit, you know wasn’t feeling good, I didn’t look at my emails and I didn’t answer my phone. Because I knew that on that frequency things can come in and I did not want them and so I would just sit down and I would do gratitude or do whatever until I felt really good then I would look at my emails, then I would answer my phone.

 

Kelly – That is so great because with the power to be a co-creator in life that comes with responsibility so you’re taking full responsibility for what frequency you are on, and that takes practice, especially if you’re starting later in life, to develop those habits and practice the awareness and know what you’re feeling, to know when you’re triggered, to know what you’re thinking, and when your thoughts get like a train barrelling down the track of negativity. So, it’s so great to have that responsibility because if you are on that frequency and then you open an email and it’s spiralling the wrong way, you’re blaming other people and then you’re going to talk about blame and how of a sudden whatever you’re projecting onto someone else you’re manifesting for yourself.

 

Rhonda – You sure are. Yeah, because if you’re blaming someone else you’ve just ordered up some blame for you.

 

Kelly – Right.

 

Rhonda – Because the law of attraction or whatever you want to call that mechanism that is in place with our mind and thoughts, there’s only one, it’s only operating through the thoughts that are coming through you, but through that person too. But for law of attraction there’s just this one, just this one, and so blame brings blame. Joy brings joy. Sadness brings sadness. I mean it’s tricky when you get in those low frequencies to try and get yourself up and out of them. There’s two ways to do that, one is to do gratitude, or think about all the things that will sort of gradually lift you up, and the other one is to make friends with the emotion, and to totally accept it, and completely put your arms around it, and it will dissolve.

 

Kelly – Yeah, which our tendency is to resist.

 

Rhonda – That’s right, yeah.

 

Kelly – Sort of be okay with it.

 

Rhonda – The resistance is what accelerates it. The resistance intensifies it, so resistance guarantees it’s going to come back through another circumstance. It is so interesting.

 

Kelly – The same with we get stuck in victimhood which then takes us out of the power position of co-creator with life and giving our power away to someone other than us. I think it’s so, to get out of that we really have to believe that the universe is the benevolent intelligence and is for us, and all of our circumstances, however painful, or challenging, or traumatic, all was meant to be to lead us to this moment. And I know you talk about that for people that are stuck in battling a disease, or in financial ruin, how do we remind them, or how do we remember that everything is truly happening… on track. Everything is on track always. This is one of your cards, your beautiful The Secret Manifestation Cards. How do we believe that in the moment?

 

Rhonda – I know it can be really challenging. It can be challenging for the mind. The mind probably isn’t going to believe it, but the greater part of us knows it is the absolute truth. For a start for me I know there’s no such thing as death. I knew that when I read that book. I know there’s no death, most certainly the body ends but consciousness never does. We are eternal, and so we are in it for a long, long, long haul. So even with a diagnosis, we all have to drop this body at some time or another, but it isn’t the end, as you know very well, with Anita Moorjani, her story was incredible. There’s an easing in there already, but when we get all tense and we’re resisting life and we’re saying no, no, no, we are making it worse. That is the tricky part about it. We need to be able to shift ourselves and just feel better, and I’ve had heaps and heaps of things that were super, super, challenging and I had to shift myself and I have to move myself off the frequency that I was on. And even to a point like there was one when my daughter was very unwell, and I just had so many scary thoughts that took me right down and into depression, really fast. When I hit there, I knew where I was, and so I started to try and think better thoughts to get myself up and off that frequency. I am and I knew when I was on it. I knew. Oh, I’m here for a reason, because there’s something in here that’s going to help people. I tried using thoughts and what I found when I was there that the thoughts were really weak. They don’t have the same kind of power and that’s like a self-protection mechanism because we don’t have good thoughts when we are down that low. So, what I did was, I just love that depression. I really put my arms around it, and loved it, and that was hard to do because when I went to do it, it would intensify just for like a second, just a second but enough for you to go whoa. But it dissolved, it absolutely dissolved, and then there I was, full of light, no dark cloud and after a couple of hours it came back a little bit, but nothing like it was. I just did the same thing dissolved again, and so in a couple of days it was totally gone. Totally. That taught me another way to deal with really difficult situations. If we just understand that resisting will make it worse, and saying no, and why did this happen, resisting and fighting and all of those kinds of things are making it worse, and love will completely dissolve it. And gratitude of course is really a form of love. Love, gratitude, appreciation. I used to do all of these things where I’d do these love rampages, and I would just start off by, I love it when the sky is blue like this, I love it when the mornings are fresh, I absolutely love California, I love all the palm trees in California, and I would just go on, on, on, and after 17 seconds law of attraction kicks in and gives you way more thoughts. I would just do this rampage and then I would feel incredible. Like for a few minutes and then I would feel amazing. I came up with so many tricks, things to do to get myself out of the funk because I knew that when I could do that my life would change. And I had heaps of fearful events, and all kinds of things that I went through, but I was just determined that I wouldn’t sink with a ship. That I would just lift myself up because all we have to do is change here and everything out there will change. Like if we have to change the world, how hard would that be? You know try and change the world.

 

Kelly – Yeah.

 

Rhonda – Fight the world. All we have to do with changing here, it’s so simple really.

 

Kelly – Yeah, oh my gosh. You say that on the frequency of joy you’ve got everything that you want. I quoted you on that in a little story I posted this morning. You talk about it if you’re in joy you manifest quickly. I’d love for you to talk a little bit about timing because I know people are like, I’ve been doing this, and nothing is working. Is there ever a time where you’re desiring something, and you’re feeling as if, you’re doing what you think is right is there ever a time where you like? Maybe it’s just not meant for me, and you change course, or is it more that you think a factor of deep down, we don’t believe we’re worthy of receiving?

 

Rhonda – Yes. I think that’s mostly it. I think it’s mostly it for people that are visualising. I mean if they believe they have it, you believe, it will manifest, as simple as that. You believe it will manifest. You can’t stop it. It’s going to manifest, so if it hasn’t manifested then, it’s not… there’s not the full belief. We could feel like we are believing, but there could be another belief from our childhood or from earlier in our life, that is one that where I don’t deserve it. Because all of those things you have to work hard and struggle you know, nothing comes for free, like all of those kinds of things which are so not true.

 

Kelly – Yeah.

 

Rhonda – Everything goods comes for free. So, you have all of those things that have been fed into us and take up their positioning in the subconscious mind, so the thing about manifesting is the more you visualise and the more you feel that you have it, the more that you’re going to push that unworthy belief down lower and your belief will rise above it and it will manifest.

 

Kelly – Amazing, and then, just because you’re so in practice and enlightened and aware and remember much more regularly than most of us, how do you explain… What is your view of can everybody, if everybody woke up to your knowing, is the end goal of life like utopian or where everyone’s manifesting, or is there always going to be a balance of negative frequency and negative manifesting that puts the pressure on us to grow? You know what I’m saying? You know what I mean? Why would God allow wars and a lot of suffering, to a point of the suffering and the challenges make us who we are, but is there some balance that it always has to be in existence on earth of light and dark?

 

Rhonda – Well we are in a duality. There’s up and there’s down, so we have the appearance of two of everything. You know good and bad, positive and negative, so we are in duality, and we do have that experience and that’s why you see all of these things happening around the world, and I guess it’s just humanity’s journey, but in the end, yes, it is utopia, for every single being, not one is excluded. It is knowing that you’re completely free, knowing the divinity that you really are, and that you are 100% joy love clarity, freedom, all of those things, beauty, like every single one of us, innocence is what we are, beauty, freedom, joy, so we don’t experience that here but for some darn reason we wanted to have this experience. We wanted to experience what it was like to get hurt, or to feel sad, because we’re all the time in joy. So, we are having this experience but for me, for my journey, there is according to the teachings, no one hurts, or no one harms. So, no one dies, and no one hurts or harms and sure I can think of heaps of experiences where I’ve felt hurt, but ultimately, is what the teachings say, ultimately no one is hurt or harmed because it’s really just like a dream. And in a dream, we’re not hurt or harmed right, where it feels like we are, but we’re not. Yes, it’s probably a long way away.

 

Kelly – Yeah.

 

Rhonda – It’s probably some years away, it’s probably some years away, but I want people to know that they can have heaven on Earth now, they can. This is what I think is so incredible about this time now, because in our history there are just a very small amount of human beings that found that heaven on Earth. Now there are a lot more, and the way to begin is to control the mind. That’s the first step. I truly believe, that was my first step, and I am convinced it was so easy. I felt it was so easy to do, put on a piece of music, do anything to feel better. Just do anything to feel better, know it’s the most important thing and do anything you can to feel better. I’m not saying deny anything that’s happening because that’s no good either, to deny anything that’s happening, but when you feel… You know what it’s like, if you have a problem and you have a problem when you go to bed, you can’t sleep, and you toss and turn and then you get to sleep and you wake up in the morning and it doesn’t even seem nearly as bad as I did the night before. That just shows you that the different perspective that we can have just in a few hours.

 

Kelly – Yes.

 

Rhonda – You can go through life and things will happen, but they just don’t affect you in the same way, like the way that those things affected you like the phone call affected you, and sort of threw you off. To go through life where nothing affects you like that. You’re just not affected, no emotions come up, nothing bothers you anymore, and really the way to do that is to first of all train your mind to have control of the mind, and then you control the world. When you do that and then you can move on to the next stage after that, which is not resisting any emotions or any anything that appears that you think is negative, and not resisting it. Being okay with it because I think it was Byron Katie that said, ‘if you fight life, you will lose every single time.’

 

Kelly – Totally

 

Rhonda – We’re always trying to fight things that have already happened, right? It’s already happened but if you have control of your mind, you can take something that’s already happened, and you can totally turn it around. On a mental level you can totally turn it around.

 

Kelly – Yeah.

 

Rhonda – You’ve got to think about what you want. What do I want? What do I want? What do I want? And the minds going, I don’t want this. I don’t want this, and you have to be, I want and think about what you want. Think about what you want. Think about what you want.

 

Kelly – And know that… we don’t realise how much we limit ourselves, acting as if. Can you tell a story, one of your favourite stories of… there was just no way whether it was with you, or one of your millions of followers who have shared stories with you, where there was no way that they could get what they wanted, but they acted as if and then it appeared? I really think we get trapped with people, well I get this much in my pay check and there’s no way I can afford this. They’re limiting the universe opportunities that weren’t even in their consciousness, so how do we keep those limits off of us, and not focus on the how and focus on what we want?

 

Rhonda – One of the things is that there is kind of a world belief that money only comes to me through my salary, or my work, right? Most people believe that. That’s what they believe and so if you think about that, that is stopping the Universe from giving them unexpected money from everywhere, from everywhere. The very first thing to do is to do an affirmation that overrides that believe that the world gave us, and to say, ‘money comes to me from everywhere for from all unexpected ways’ and to really say it until you start to see that money coming in. So that’s a really simple example, but I remember there was this woman who wanted to buy a horse and she couldn’t afford it. There was absolutely no way she could afford a horse, so what she did was she went and got a bridle. I’m not a horsey person but she went and got a bridle… Even though my daughter absolutely loves horses… So, she bought something really simple and she put it on her kitchen table. She was saying to the Universe I have the bridle and there’s an absence of the horse. Because I am convinced that the Universe abhors a vacuum. I proved it time and time again, abhors a vacuum so you’ve got to create the vacuum, so she did that. That’s exactly what she did. She got that and put it on her kitchen table, and she looked at it every day as though that belong to the horse that she had. She got a horse for nothing and the way she got it was through this person, this person, this event, that event, like this whole string of things, and she got this most incredible horse and that’s just the way it works. All she did was to do that, was to have a bridle. I remember there is one other story of this woman who was walking, she was going to a meeting, I think she was in the UK, and she walked past a bridal store. She wanted to meet her perfect partner, and she went on all the dating things, and she couldn’t meet anyone. Any way she walked past a bridal store and for some reason and she had no idea why she went into that bridal store and tried on a bridal dress. She didn’t have a partner she had nothing, and she bought it. She bought the dress. She walked out the door and she actually physically ran into a guy. Ran into this guy and ended up going to a meeting, having a coffee with this guy, who she ended up by marrying. She created the vacuum, she really did. There are lots of amazing, amazing stories like that. I remember the spanx lady.. I’ve forgotten her name. She asked the Universe for a $1 billion idea.

 

Kelly – And Spanx came. Wow.

 

Rhonda – And she had her scissors and cut out all the things, and that’s what you got. $1 billion idea. You can ask for anything. Oh, thank you, yes Sarah Blakley.

 

Kelly – They were there holding up the sign.

 

Rhonda – Yep, they were.

 

Kelly – I love those examples and to create a vacuum. So many people are going to walk away from this and think about what vacuum I can create. And how can I act as if. Just so cool. For parents listening and you mentioned on it before with your daughter, say God forbid your child is going through leukaemia or something devastating that you feel powerless over, or your son is struggling with drug addiction, and you want to change it for them. What advice about us do you give parents when their child… when they feel helpless in helping their child? Can we manifest for someone else?

 

Rhonda – Well it is a really interesting question, that question, because each of us is an individual creator by rights, no one can create in our life, however if somebody is sick and a child is sick and they really want to be well, then if you add your power to that, then you are really adding a lot of energy you see. So, if you see them well, for example, if they are six years old, see their 10th birthday, see their 21st birthday, close your eyes, see it, see everyone there, see them well. If that child wants that too, and we automatically think they would, but we don’t know we are not inside them, so if they wanted to then you’re adding really good energy and it makes a huge, huge, difference. What was your other question with that?

 

Kelly – Just an example of that, like a child and a relationship, or they’re addicted to drugs, and you want to pull them out of that?

 

Rhonda – So with drug addiction, it’s a real tricky one because it’s obvious. Everything that occurs to us is a part of our journey, right? That is the journey that we were going to have. If that person, and we already know this don’t we? Come to think of it, that the ones that kick drug addiction, or alcoholism are the ones that just decided they’ve had enough. And it’s all about that person has to really want it, and then I’ll be able to be free of it. So, it’s just occurred to me how that it is so important that they really really want it. I’ve had a lot to do in that area of drug addiction, and I know I’ve been to lots of, I haven’t suffered from any drug addiction, but I’ve been to lots of meetings, and one of the things that I realised with people that speak at meetings whether it’s AA or drug addiction, it’s those ones that stand up and speak and tell their story are very conscious. I know part of those organisations are on a spiritual journey and it’s a must. I think that’s absolutely fantastic that it is. I think they’re incredibly inspiring and I’ve looked around at the people that are there. and some make it, and some don’t. If you have somebody that absolutely isn’t going to stop, won’t stop, what can any parent do? Still, I would see them as free. I would see them as free, and free of that, and in joy. One of the things that we can tend to think as a parent, we have this idea of this life that we want our children to live, right? We want them to be happy and this and that and have a family and everything, but sometimes that’s just not going to be the case. And we think that is the best ever life that they can have, and then they might be having a life that’s just our worst nightmare but that doesn’t mean that that life is not the most important life they can be living. You know for their journey, the most important life they can be living, because if they’re living it, then it is the most important life they can be living. I just offer that thought as well that we have such a tiny perspective of it, do we not? It’s like we’re looking through a keyhole. We can’t see all the bigger picture of that no one dies and ultimately no one is hurt or harmed and that we’re eternal. We can’t see that bigger picture and where like looking at this little, tiny, tiny little, little thing, and maybe if we could see the bigger picture, we would say that every experience that every one of us has is gold. And essential for the growth of that being and beautiful because it’s taking them to the next step.

 

Kelly – It is that belief that we are all… I’ve said this so many times, I think people might be sick of it now, but we are the little fraction of the divine, and we are here, experiencing different aspects as humans, physical beings having… spiritual beings having a physical experience, and so as you’re speaking, it is really about, surrendering, and giving up resistance, and stop should-ing, it should be this way, it should be that way, needs to be this way for me to be happy, and really surrendering and accepting that things are unfolding really perfectly.

 

Rhonda – They are.

 

Kelly – What everybody needs to realise what you’re speaking about, it’s all really about the mind and the mind is designed and hardwired to look for threats and danger, and survival, and you’re just giving us the reins rather than letting it go loose into negative manifestation, which is focusing on the worst case scenario or spiralling in fear, and focusing on what we don’t want. It’s literally equal and opposite just as powerful, but no one has been taught to do it, and just taking the reins of your mind and training it every day with manifestation cards and gratitude work, with all these tricks and tools to get into joy and just feeling better that it’s your mind and your thoughts and your emotions, and really just learning how to harness the power of the mind rather than if we leave it to our own devices which most of us do, we are just going to be complaining, victims, powerless, and at the mercy of resisting all the shit that life throws at us.

 

Rhonda – Yeah.

 

Kelly – And that’s heaven or hell.

 

Rhonda – Yes, yes. And it’s not the outside circumstances, we think it is, we’re so sure it is, but all our suffering comes from the mind, all of it, all of it. I remember this really wonderful teacher in his 80s, and he said these wonderful words, and I was just like wow he said, ‘what’s the problem if we don’t think about it.’ And you know if you don’t think about it, suddenly everything is just here as it is, and then if you think about it, and then there’s the problem. People would say, but it’s not going away, well there’s the thought. And the thing is, is that when we give up our resistance and we actually do kind of relax and surrender everything changes. that’s the amazing thing about it.

 

Kelly – Yeah like you said with sleeping earlier you stop the momentum. Do something differently, or stop focusing on it, and stop obsessing, and go and do something that’s going to change your state of feeling, change your thoughts and then all of a sudden, the aperture opens and new solutions to the problem come in to your awareness because you’re not cutting off, by grasping or obsessing.

 

Rhonda – Yeah and you know it was the very reason that we did the cards actually was to try and keep everybody on track, because in this busy life it’s nothing to pull a card in the morning, if you have it, and then you read it. Then it is impossible for your frequency, if you read a card for your frequency to be the same after you’ve read it as it was before. Something changed and you just with reading that card, and then how deeply are you hearing the words, will also affect the degree of change. I’ve always been really big about gratitude in the morning because that changes your frequency and the day that you then step in to believe, is a completely different day from the one that you were going to live without the gratitude. So, it’s the same for me with the cards, you take a card, and you read that card, and now your day is different depending on the degree that you hear those words. that are just the truth, and to keep you on track, so that you have a really great day, and keep training that mind, which is just a program. That’s all it is, it’s just a program and you’re training it to be positive. I know because that is what I experienced. That is what I did. I mean I trained the mind to be positive and when you do that you can’t really… like law of attraction doesn’t let you see the nasty things. Like you’ll be walking down the street, and you just turn the corner and then there’s a brawl that happened on that street, but you could not possibly be in that vicinity of that brawl, because you are not a match to it. You are not a frequency match to it, at all. If somebody and it rarely, rarely ever happens to me and I can’t remember the last time it happened, but you’re driving a car and someone toots at me. Wow! I’m so grateful to them. I’m so grateful because this… I would use all of the outside world to tell me I need to lift my frequency, and that toot is telling me lift your frequency because if you feel good you are not tooted. It’s not possible. Haha!

 

Kelly – That’s hahaha!

 

Rhonda – It’s not on that frequency. It’s not on that frequency, it just isn’t. I would use everything like if an ambulance, or a fire engine, or a police car, or if somebody yells something out somewhere that was kind of aggressive or something like that, if I went into a store, and the person was absolutely gorgeous, and you wanted to be their best friend, if they weren’t like that, if they were snooty and rude, I’d be like, I have to change my frequency, and I would start to do steps of gratitude. Yeah, because you can’t possibly connect with anyone like that unless your frequency has dropped.

 

Kelly – I love that so much. If you are not feeling good you will possibly be tooted. Haha!

The funny thing is I had The Secret deck and I have 12 cards here, it’s a 65-card deck and this is like… what a great gift for people. My husband was listening to you as I was preparing for this interview, and he was like, this is how I live, this is how I think, and he got so excited.

 

 

Rhonda – Oh wow!

 

Kelly – So he’s like I’m going take your deck, and you’re going to get the new one and these are the cards that I have right now. It’s so great and even him, and this is how I’m naturally wired and this is how I’ve obtained so much success, and I’ve never been able to articulate it, so he is just obsessed with the cards because he picked 12 that really resonated for him right now and he is focusing on them, and writing about them, so I think for anybody it sets the tone for your day, it’s the exact… And as you said your frequency is exact you going to draw the exact message you need, and you’re consciously taking the reins of your life…

 

Rhonda – That’s right.

 

Kelly – … and then you’re using the feedback from the outside world, so if you do see an email that’s like jarring, or someone’s tooting at you with their horn you check yourself rather than blame the outside world, you check yourself, and go away. I need to do some frequency hygiene here.

 

Rhonda – Yeah haha! The world is so good to be able to keep you on track. It’s really, really good and I used it all of the time. All of the time.

 

Kelly – Everybody needs to get the manifestation deck and we’ll have the link. Then the last story I want to share with you because I was so honoured that I was kind of… So Beyond Words did the HEAL DVD, and like I said your film change my life, and then I learned of course that you did the film, and then I think Beyond Words said you should write the book.

 

Rhonda – That’s right.

 

Kelly – So when HEAL came out very quickly after it, it was number one documentary on iTunes, and it was doing really well and Richard was like, and Michelle were like we see it on the trajectory of The Secret which I was like, I’ve arrived. That correlation I’m so honoured, and they were like you should start writing a book, and they were like you know Rhonda did it in six weeks, or two weeks or whatever it was…

 

Rhonda – Yeah it was crazy.

 

Kelly – … I was like okay, I can do it, if Rhonda can do it, then well cut to, that didn’t happen. Like nine months later, had a baby and had no creative juices, but I just think that’s a funny story because this book… and then of course I was like I’m going to sell 34 million copies, and I think we’ve sold 20,000 or something. I have no idea how many we’ve sold but it’s not in there what you have accomplished, but I just want to share that because again it has to do with belief.

 

Rhonda – Yeah I know.

 

Kelly – Yeah you know, like really… you and I have the same mission of just learning what has worked for us, and then sharing it with the world to empower the people. And really, we’re so limited by our own beliefs, of A what’s possible and B what we’re worthy of receiving. I just want to, whatever you have to share, to leave with our audience.

 

Rhonda – Yeah well that’s true and it brings us back to what you were talking about conviction and with The Secret and with The Secret Book, the conviction that I had was incredible and I would love to be able to bottle that, and I just with the level of conviction I had, I absolutely know that was what I was meant to do in my lifetime. I just know that was, if I looked at my life, I was totally on track for that, I was prepared for it all the steps along the way, with everything that up and had unfolded in my life, and that conviction, oh it’s just the best thing ever. To have that conviction and I don’t have it for everything. I want to have it for everything, but I don’t have it for everything, but that’s okay. You know believing will get you there, and then knowing, well that’s instant manifestation anyway, is knowing, but in terms of deserve-ability because I just think that is one of the biggest things and I know what I had to do to undo the beliefs that had…. I had inherited just from school or relatives and growing up I had a lot of beliefs like all of us, and I had to let them go for The Secret to do what it needed to do. I knew that very well. I knew that I couldn’t have any of those, so I had a very, very strong reason to drop all of those beliefs, and override all of those beliefs, because I wanted The Secret to reach so many people. The deserve-ability, oh my gosh, I wish I could give that to people, I wish I could. If you listen to the mind, if you listen to what the mind says, don’t listen to a single thing that the mind says, unless it’s saying glorious things about you, because if it’s saying anything but glorious things about you, it’s all lies. It’s lies. Every single being is special, just beyond words, and I think it takes the most enormous courage for all of us to come into this duality, and experience all of these things the way that we do it, and the challenges, and the suffering, and the hardships, but everybody deserves absolutely everything that they want to have, or do, or experience in life. They deserve it all. If you only do one thing, say that to yourself every single day, over and over, until you see your entire life change.

 

Kelly – Oh my goodness, thank you so much. Guys if you haven’t already ordered The Secret Book and all The Secret books: The Secret, The Power, The Magic, HERO. There are so many wonderful books that you offer the world. Definitely this manifestation deck, I’m going to devote every day in 2024, and just watch my life get better and better.

 

Rhonda – Yeah absolutely. Get that little mind working for you because it is an amazing tool, right? The thing about the mind, it’s only creative, it’s just creative, but if we talk about what we don’t want, it’s creative, when we talk about what we want, it’s creative.

 

Kelly – It’s the biggest secret that we have, the power to use the mind, consciously and positively and to create the life we desire.

 

Rhonda – We do, absolutely.

 

Kelly – And you’re giving us the tools. Thank you so much, I’m beyond grateful I was able to connect with you.

 

Rhonda – I loved it Kelly, thank you so much.

 

Kelly – You’ve really enriched my life and empowered me, and given me these tools, I can’t wait to recommit to this daily, moment-by-moment practice, because it really is everything. So, thank you.

 

Rhonda – Thank you.

 

Podcaster and ground-breaking female motor racing driver, Danica Patrick, hosts creator and author of The Secret, Rhonda Byrne on the Pretty Intense podcast, talking about creating The Secret, how magical the universe is, and how to live in the flow of positivity to truly live the life that you want to live.

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Danica Patrick – Back in 2008 someone suggested I watch The Secret. I watched it and it was spring of 2008 and then, I don’t know if it was the exact next race, it might have been, cos I was a race car driver…

 

Rhonda Byrne – Yes. Yes.

 

Danica – And the next race was my race in Japan that I finally won in an indie car, and I always connect the dots between watching The Secret and winning in Japan.

 

Rhonda Byrne – Right. Right.

 

Danica – And so thank you so much.

 

Rhonda – Oh no gosh, you did it. You’re the one who did it… so. It’s been, 2006 until now, unrecognizable life for me, I have to say. Compared to prior to 2006 when I was just totally asleep to everything. So, it’s really good to be conscious.

 

Danica – This podcast exists because I love talking to people and love going deep. The purpose is to plant seeds of inspiration. We enter space of vulnerability and relatability and what you realize is that we are so much more alike than we are different. To quote Rhonda, ‘we are all just walking each other home’, and the show is just one step.

 

I am Danica Patrick and I’m Pretty Intense.

 

Danica – I am so excited about the guest on the show today. Her name is Rhonda Byrne. She, you may remember it, she created and produced The Secret. Like this was revolutionary. I watch The Secret in 2008 and then I went and won in Japan, and I would always connect the two. And I think she really brought in the idea that you can manifest your life, the law of attraction, thoughts matter, thoughts become things, energy, she really, I feel was for at least for me, she was the first one to bring this into mainstream. She is also an author, she’s written a bunch of books, she’s written a new one that’s just come out called The Greatest Secret. Our conversation was all about her journey, how she had these epiphanies, her stories of transformation, and you know she’s constantly, she’s really like where she’s reached a point now that she’s not so constantly seeking and she’s being much more. It was just a fascinating conversation full of so many stories and just like your jaw will be on the ground when you hear some of them, and just how magical the universe is, and that it is so in your favor, and it is not against you. And she gives so many good tips on how to live in that flow so that you can benefit from the infinite potentiality that the universe has to offer us versus what our limited minds have only seen or experienced. So, I hope that you found this just as fascinating as I did and that you take so much away from it and you are able to apply it to your life and truly live the life that you want to. So enjoy the episode.

 

Rhonda – I tend to just do one thing. So you’re it, you’re the star today. Star of the day.

 

Danica – So my honor. I, like let me go back in time for a little bit of background so you can understand how long I’ve been aware of you. Back in 2008 someone suggested I watch The Secret. And I was like oh okay. What year did it come out?

 

Rhonda – 2006.

 

Danica – Okay 2006. So it had been around for a bit but I watched it and it was spring of 2008 and then I don’t know if it was the exact next race, it might have been, cos I was a race car driver…

 

Rhonda – Yes, yes.

 

Danica – And the next race was my race in Japan that I finally won in an indie car. And I always connect the dots between watching The Secret and winning in Japan.

 

Rhonda – Right, right.

 

Danica – So thank you so much.

 

Rhonda – Oh no gosh, you did it. You’re the one who did it… so. It’s been, 2006 until now, unrecognizable life for me, I have to say. Compared to prior to 2006 when I was just totally asleep to everything. So, it’s really good to be conscious.

 

Danica – It is but it’s a journey at the same time.

 

Rhonda – Oh it’s a journey. Hmm. Yeah it is but it’s a wonderful journey.

 

Danica – Yeah, it’s like you talk to anyone that’s on the journey of waking up of consciousness, of healing, of any of those things and you know there can be really rough periods where you have to face a lot of things, and look at yourself and that you’ve denied, or the things that you’ve not nurtured or cultivated whether it be inner child or whether it be relationship or the way you show up and how you feel about them and how you project, but at the end of the day it’s always a rise in frequency and it’s always a greater, a greater existence on a daily basis. Like your base line changes.

 

Rhonda – It does, and you just become…. I wouldn’t have been able to recognize this I don’t think going back to 2006 but you… you become freer. So, my first step to freedom was definitely the realization of The Secret and that we can create our lives whichever way we want to create them. That was just the most massive breath of freedom and was incredible. So, my life completely changed from that, 360, 360 in every single area, but then I always felt well if this is the case, then there must be more that I don’t know and so I just became a crazy, crazy, sincere seeker. I just read every book that was going, I went back through time I was going through all the traditions and the religions, I just could not get enough. And I was doing it 24/7 and I could do it 24/7 because it was really my work. So, it was amazing to be able to do it. So, blessed.

 

Danica – Well that’s an example of doing something endlessly and getting….and you’re so energized for it, insatiable for it, because it’s so your purpose.

 

Rhonda – I was not the least bit tired. I had to force myself to go to sleep because I couldn’t wait to wake up in the morning and so, I could keep going and doing more and more and more. And I had so many realizations over those years, one after the other, after the other, after the other, after the other. Aha moments that completely changed the way that I saw the world and the way that I saw myself. It just kept continuing that way and so the more realizations that I had the more that I could see the way things really are, the happier I became, and the happier I became, happier, happier, happier, happier. And less able to be disturbed by people and events.

 

Danica – What was the first story? What is the first story that was like being hit by… being hit with a truck or enlightened… probably not in a negative way, but what was that first thing that.. aha… that epiphany that happened that made you realize, that got you into the path that lead to The Secret?

 

Rhonda – It was a particular evening and I’d had a really, really, rough year that year. My father had died suddenly, and I was making six movies about unsolved murders, so it was a really really, rough subject. I had a production company and so everything that could go wrong went wrong that year until I reached September the 9th, and I had two phone calls in a row. And it was timed so beautifully when I look back it was incredible, cos the first phone call absolutely brought me to my knees and that was my accountant saying you’re going to… you’re going to be broke in 30 days you’ve gone two million dollars over budget on the movies, and I still had one and a half to deliver. And I had, had a director that had gone over budget and then I hung up the phone and as I hung up the phone it rang again it was my mother who was in a really bad way. So those two phone calls absolutely brought me to my knees because I didn’t feel that I could solve either problem. Like I was so good at fixing things but these two things my mother was grief stricken because my father had died earlier in the year and so these two things I could not solve. And so, I just collapsed in despair and that moment of collapsing in despair was the moment where my life would change forever. Because my daughter, my adult daughter saw me and just walked out and handed me this book which was from 1910 and said, read this it will help. And I mean, I asked her since why did you give me that book, and she’s like, I don’t know, you know. She just didn’t know, she was just… And the way that she gave it to me was almost kind of… um a robot like, do you know? Like just start handing it. What’s even weirder is that with the sky falling in and after the two phone calls, is that I read the book.

 

Danica – Right so you made time for the book.

 

Rhonda – I just sat down right there and then and I opened it up and I started reading and all my tears were hitting the pages, the ink was running, and 90 minutes later I finished reading it and oh my gosh. My life had completely changed I knew things that were not in book. I just had the biggest, biggest, realization and of course the book was the trigger and the book is called The Science of Getting Rich by Wallace Wattles and it’s available for free on our website, if anybody wants to download it  thesecret.tv. But that book, oh… I just saw so much in that book and that set me off on a search from that book onwards I went back into time, searching for this information that I absolutely knew was the truth, that we created our life. And I just went back, right back through history actually way back in history to the Emerald Tablet. And I didn’t tell anybody what I’d found I just continued to research, and it’s like when you were talking about, I just… There was something rushing through me that just took me, I barely slept. And then it was almost like, like I would pick up a book I know I would start to read it and I would read that book and then I would look at the time I’d think it must be really late but then it was five minutes from when I last looked at it. Like it was like time stopped and it was like time became really malleable for me…and so…

 

Danica – Wow. Well that’s a reality, time and space.. this dimension, you like were in a different reality a different dimension when time wasn’t relevant.

 

Rhonda – Time wasn’t relevant. And so, I just what I accomplished in just three months was crazy. In terms of reading and research and then in January this was in September and I mean mind you I drove to my mother’s straightaway the next morning and I told her everything I discovered so I got her all set and a whole New World that opened up for her and then I went back and continued with the research and in January 2005 I walked into my team and I said we are going to make and it wasn’t a documentary at that stage or a movie or I didn’t know what it was but we’re going to make something that will change the world. And they thought I was mad.

 

Danica – Well isn’t there some saying about like it takes someone like someone crazy or mad to change the world. That they actually believe it’s possible.

 

Rhonda – Totally.

 

Danica – Which is The Secret, you know.

 

Rhonda – And so that was how it began, and you know we were really practicing The Secret while making The Secret. And we became very, very, aware. I was very aware of signs of messages and hearing things of being guided by everything we needed was put in front of us. Absolutely everything.

 

Danica – What were the signs? What things were happening that made you go, green light, green light, here we go.

 

Rhonda – Everything. Okay so one thing example is we came to the United States to film teachers, we had no teachers lined up to film absolutely none whatsoever. We could reach teachers so easily like it was just crazy and they would all say yes but one of the teachers was Jack Canfield and he was in Aspen at the time and so we went to Aspen. He agreed to be filmed and he asked me to do a presentation when I got there. And we made a big trailer and there were something like 60 teachers in that room that I presented, and met Jack, and that I presented The Secret of what I was going to do. And Jack said, who wants to be in this documentary put your hand up. They all put their hand up. And in addition to that we had been trying to get in touch with Bob Proctor through his people and… and then when we were in Aspen finally my researcher was in touch with his personal assistant, and she said where are you at the moment? And it was my sister actually who was helping me, and she said we are in Aspen and Bob’s assistant said, oh my gosh.

 

Danica – He’s in Aspen.

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Rhonda – He’s in Aspen. Yes. And so the moment she told him he came over to us in 30 minutes because he knew it was meant to be and they all knew. Like everyone all they all just knew something incredible was happening and even the way we released it. Like I had in my mind that because I had a production company that made content for television and so in my mind this was going to be released on television through networks around the world in a 24hour period that was the way I saw it that it would be released globally basically at the same time. And so, I had all of these networks all interested and then there was this extraordinary thing they all just dropped out. Like one by one by one by one and so I knew that this was not the way it was meant to go. And so, I just opened myself to the possibility of it going out differently. We spoke to some film companies, and they just wanted to buy it, and buy it out completely, and I wouldn’t do it. And then eventually what happened was, I saw an advertisement on the Internet that you’ve kind got to imagine a time that was so different from now but I saw this British Airways commercial on the Internet and I was like, that’s it, we release this on the Internet. Now nothing, no movie had ever been released on the Internet. And I called… I called my CEO and I said we’ll release it on the Internet, it will go round the world in 24 hours, and he said, oh that might be one way to release it, but you can’t release it in that way entirely. Well do you know my CEO happened to be…. happened to be amazing at technology and he worked with the company that just happened to be two streets from my office, who… who put out that British Airways commercial in Melbourne in Australia. And he worked with them and created the technology for The Secret to go out on the Internet. So it was the first… the first film that had gone out on the Internet…

 

Danica – Wow!

 

Rhonda – …and within one hour of it going out I knew that was it. Like I just sat back and it didn’t matter what happen from there it was out in the world and that was all that mattered to me.

 

Danica – Well what’s special about that story is that it’s really easy to see the signs when it’s positive, but it’s hard I feel like to accept the signs when they’re negative. And so as you were being, you know, left to dry with the networks about putting it out on television, I think that that… that to me is the striking part about the story, that you go okay well we’re not gonna do it that way but that… that that might be the point, and I’m curious how are you get to the point where you allow the signs both positive and negative to equal in volume because that would be the point in time where you know, my older self, where I’m so used to forcing I would push through and I’d be like well let then let’s call somebody else, and let’s figure this out, give me the phone, send me an email, let’s go there, and I would push through it, and that’s like… So can you explain how you got to that point and how are you then… and how you also stay in alignment so that you don’t force things that aren’t. Because you have to put effort into things, that there’s a difference between effort and forcing to the point where you’re getting enough signs, that it it’s kind of turning into a wall.

 

Rhonda – Yeah that’s true. And… I just knew from The Secret that everything was happening for me and that also meant that if there was a block don’t push against it. If there is a block and that is something doesn’t come through straight away, stop. Stop and for example, I’ll give you an example, we filmed a teacher that… that I wasn’t 100% sure about when we film that teacher, but there was a technical problem all through it and it was unusable footage. You know, and so I knew… I knew that that person was not meant to be in it. Then there were other teachers that we contacted that didn’t respond, really well-known ones for example that didn’t respond, and I knew that they were not meant to be in it. I knew… I knew that whatever we needed would be given to us and if there was a block I would not push against it. And as you say actually, it’s very different from what I used to be, because I used to be, oh I will fix this, I will do this, I will get it done, and look for another way, but instead I would stop and I would wait to see what was going to be shown to me, and this is living The Secret. This is really, really living it where you understand that this is a friendly universe, and it is doing everything for you. It is conspiring for you in every single area and with the making of The Secret was the most speculative thing I have ever seen in my entire life, because everything was done for us. And even down to the point where I remember we would be editing and we were like 16 hours in the edit suite editing all of this masses of footage, and then suddenly the system would, rainbow ball, in other words it was it was going to crash, and I would just say to the editor get up walk away, because we were forcing that rainbow ball. We were like we were like this, we were too tense in editing trying to push against time, not relaxed and so the equipment was responding to our pushing, you know and that’s in The Secret too, because it’s… if you were like, I’m gonna be late, I’m gonna be late, and you’re rushing and rushing, then that energy will cause a car to be in front of you, slow, slow down, this will happen, the train line gates will come down, everything will happen. But if you just let it go and you relax which is what I was experimenting with, if I was running late for somewhere, I would do the exact opposite. So I would just let go, I would stop rushing and then everything would just line up, and I would be there on time.

 

Danica – That happens to me sometimes. I say some, I say sometimes because my aggressive driving nature gets the best of me most of the time. But when I’m like you know what just relax instead of speeding up to get by that car, I’ll just fall in line, and wait and then all of a sudden almost every time the car will move over, get off out of the way…

 

Rhonda – Exactly!

 

Danica – …and it will turn, and I’m like why, don’t I do that more often. It works so easy. Like what’s our cultural problem? What our cultural problem and then what is the solution to getting into that mode because and trusting that? I think, I think it’s not even about trusting in it as much I think once you see you see it, but how do we keep ourselves in the mode cos even though I can repeat these kinds of things to you in awareness, there’s something in my brain, and I don’t know if it’s I’m just too high beta state at times, whatever it is, but how do we get down to that state where we are allowing, and flowing, and one with the universe instead of constantly pushing against it?

 

Rhonda – It really is, I didn’t realize what I was doing back then but nowadays I understand what I am doing and I… I have practiced very deliberately to surrender and let go. And so that is what I do constantly, constantly, constantly. Back then I don’t know how I did it, but I would just kind… I just had such faith in the universe because that is the way that I described it. I had set the biggest intention for The Secret and I just knew that everything would happen for us, so we were very much in the flow, and if we were not we stopped. And we just walked away until we felt good, we came back and would continue working when we felt good. When I didn’t feel good I would not answer the phone, I wouldn’t open my computer, I would not do any of those things because if you’re in a really bad frequency and you open your computer, in comes a whole lot of problems, and so on the same frequency, so I wouldn’t open my computer and wouldn’t answer my phone until I would… until I could feel a whole lot better. So that was very deliberate way that I did it then, these days it is very different. I don’t have such a personal attachment to, ‘I am doing this’ with the universe. The universe is doing this for me. I am the universe, kind of one with the universe. And so, I am just in a complete state of allowing, surrendering, letting go, because we are the ones that need to get out of the way. Because everything that will be given to us, that will happen for us, is way beyond what we could even imagine for ourselves.

 

Danica – I could imagine that I’d be striving for it, but when you let go of your own idea of how something could go, your now open to the quantum field of all potentiality that goes far, far beyond what our imagination has even conceived, experienced, seen or caught a glimpse of.

 

Rhonda – Exactly. Exactly because all we can imagine is the mind, and the mind tends to be a recycling machine, and as you say in the quantum area, or beyond the mind is every single possibility, unlimited possibilities. So yeah, I just keep surrendering to all of that and the less we put ourselves in the way, with our fixed ideas, and opinions, and all of those things, you know, and we kind of get those out of the way, the more magnificent our lives become. Absolutely magnificent.

 

Danica – I found the human experience is challenging because it takes experiences, patterns, relationships ,friendships, family, it takes all of these dynamics that push on us to see ourself and it’s hard to see ourself, and so how did you get to that point where you could kind of release and surrender, and get to that point? Did you have… did you process anything about your childhood, was there anything about your upbringing, something about families, something about your own patterning or were you able to just not have to go there and access this potentiality with the simple awareness of The Secret?

 

Rhonda – Right I saw in 2016 I had a revelation of who we really are. And so that is what really changed everything. And even I think in The Secret I would refer we’re the infinite being. I would say it in The Secret, and I definitely believed that, felt that, knew that, it’s just that in 2016 I had the experience of it. And so, I realized then that the person is absolutely the smallest, smallest, tiniest part of us. And so basically, I’ve just spent my time releasing any negativity that arises, any memories that arise, because I know that any negativity that appears or that it… that somebody else triggers with negative feelings or negative thoughts, any memories appear because they are ready to be released from our life. That’s why they’re appearing. They’re ready to be free. And so, I know those things are inside of us, held in our subconscious mind, and when they appear they’re ready to be free, so I learned how to release them really quickly. And it applies to everything that you, everything negative, everything that we consider negative, but I only release the things that appear. If a negative feeling comes along, like agitation or disappointment, like I get so excited because it would mean I could release it, and in the releasing of it, once you’ve released it all, you’ll never feel it again. Like there isn’t anybody that can aggravate you in the outside world. The only reason I can aggravate you is because you have it inside you ready to be released. Right? Which you know very well. So I just kept releasing, releasing, and releasing and what I found is the more I release the happier I got, and so then I would see things like I had beliefs that didn’t serve me, and I would just release the beliefs that didn’t serve me, and oh my gosh.

 

Danica – That’s beautiful and not overwhelming?

 

Rhonda – Not at all. Yeah.

 

Danica – You know because in my mind I think, oh man get through all the trauma, clear a lot of things….like

 

Rhonda – No no.

 

Danica – Ancestral things like, do it again, but right…like how do I get to that? The way you’re describing it, and this is I think one of your many gifts, is to put things simply so it can be comprehended and understood, is that when it comes up, you deal with it. So of course, I’m curious of what that thing was that happened in 2016?

 

Rhonda – I had another kind of moment… I had another moment… and a circumstance happened with the house I was selling, and it ended up that it fell through really quickly. And after I’d made all these plans to kind of move out in a week, and I felt this incredible disappointment in my body, and I was just like how could I feel something like this when I always feel so good? I just didn’t understand that, and so what I what I did was I just decided that I wanted to watch something spiritual. I didn’t want this feeling and so I just wanted to watch something spiritual so the feeling would go away. And I turn on my computer and Conscious TV, and they were interviewing a man called David Bingham, who is just an everyday person like you and me, not a teacher or anything like that, and he talked about how he saw the truth, and became free. And I was like, the truth? And I followed in his footsteps and did what he did, which is listen to a podcast and… by a man called John Wheeler and I listened to that podcast. And you know it’s really interesting because I watched the Conscious TV interview with him several times, I listened to the podcast multiple times, and then I reached out to David to speak to him, and this was over a period of three or so days. And then when I spoke to David, he sort of did an experiment with me where he showed me the… my mind focusing and what’s there if my mind isn’t focusing. What’s behind my mind and it’s been there the entire time for my whole life. Yeah, and it was… I was just…wow!. And David said to me you’ve already seen it before we got on the phone, and I said had I really? And he said yes, but all I know is those few things, and I saw who I was from my own experience. The unlimitedness of who we are, and there are no boundaries and so everything changed again, massively. The way I see the world, and… second huge step to freedom.

 

Danica – Right well it’s just our perception that colors our world. It’s not always nice, sometimes we have things that happen to us, we have patterning from parents, patterning from friends, and in growing up, and environment, television, we have all kinds of different things that give us a perception, and again since it’s so hard to see ourselves, you have to have these moments where you go, oh. So what is the letting go process?

 

Rhonda – It’s a technique that I use to release things, and I’m working on at all of the time, because in fact, I just said to my daughter, I need to find a simpler way of saying this. I just want it to be simpler and I covered it in my book The Greatest Secret but I still, like I’m always looking simpler, simpler, simpler ways. So, one of the things, just to understand, so people can get the feeling is, one of the things that we do is we resist all the way along in our life. We resist when something happens that we don’t want to happen, and I don’t want that, we resist. We’re kind of enjoying…like the things we like but the things we don’t like we’re like pushing them away…

 

Danica – True.

 

Rhonda – …including people or a comment that somebody makes, we don’t like that comment and it affects us. And so, that’s all resistance, and resistance is what causes all the negative feelings, and contractions inside of us. What releasing does, is it stops us from resisting. If a negative subject arises, a negative memory, a negative feeling, it is because we have just resisted. And so to counteract that resisting, and stop that resisting, we do the opposite to resisting. What we do is like I could say just like relax, but I say welcome it. Welcome the feeling, welcome the memory, welcome the thought, and it’s really just that we don’t try and fix it, we don’t try and change it, we don’t try and make it go away, we don’t try and do anything to it we just allow it to be there. And in the allowing of it to be there, we stop resisting and it just the energy just evaporates and very often you can feel the energy unwinding in your chest. It’s just an automatic cleansing system in our body the moment we stop resisting, everything unwinds. You can just do this if nothing appears you can just be really relaxed and just allowing of everything to be just the way it is right now. And so to be very present as well of course helps to do that, and then all the energy that’s trapped just begins to unwind and be released and why we don’t need to go through picking one trauma, one memory after another is because many of them are attached like a train with carriages so we can get one and it just pulls a whole train of carriages all at the same time…

 

Danica – Oh god that’s overwhelming.

 

Rhonda – …it takes a whole lot of memories with it. We don’t need to go through anything one by one, we just need to see the ones that appear, the ones that are triggered, you know the feelings that are triggered by an outside event. I know that you talked about mirroring and that’s what’s so beautiful, is that I mean, I can use the universe as an example will use the people circumstances and events. It will use all of those things to show us what needs to be released you know. It’s just everything that happens to us is the most beautiful gift steeped in love and designed for us to be happier and to be free. And so that’s how I release, now you get you that good at it that, I don’t even know how I do it now, I just kind of, you feel a relief, you just kind of welcome, and just sort of…. sort of thing and immediately you’ll feel a sense of relief through your body, and you just feel this thing dissipate and disappear. And it’s amazing you can have a really strong emotion and it will just evaporate. It’s the best feeling in the whole world.

 

Danica – Do you think that there… Yes it sounds magical, this sounds like floating through life but do you think that there… 2016 was when you were able to sort of sense and feel this, I’m gonna call it from my perspective what would be like the observer? You can access the observer of your thoughts cos we aren’t our thoughts right? So where there’s something that’s able to recognize that we are having the thoughts.

Rhonda – Exactly.

 

Danica – So we can’t be our thoughts cos we know we’re having thoughts, and so do you feel that that this transitioned when you felt that more observer perspective, that instead of things happening to you and being in the moment you’re actually almost looking from above, feeling from above and allowing this sort of exchange of energy to come and release and go because you’re not in it, and you’re not grasping onto either the memory, something you wanted, or identifying with the pain, or some sort of level of victimization, or something you want like it’s more observer mode?

 

Rhonda – Most definitely what it is, most definitely what it is. You become the observer rather than the observer of the person, you know… and the observer of yourself. And so you create this kind of gap so everything’s not as personal, you know, and you just discover incredible things. You allow other things to be released because, and I think you said it in your 20… watch… your 20 things that you realised…

 

Danica – Lessons, oh really you did ….

 

Rhonda – I watched the lessons this morning and yeah one of the things for sure is that you…you begin to see everything really really clearly and you’re not so attached, and you’re not so identified, because when we identify with those things, then we really feel the pain of those things, and as you said, actually nothing’s personal. We feel it’s so personal, everything so personally, it’s not at all personal. And so when you’re the observer then you can have some relief from it not being personal at all. Yeah so.

 

Danica – Do you feel like this also affects the way you see other people? Meaning instead of saying them. do something to you, you actually see their pain and their patterning perhaps, as opposed to why’d you do that to me? You can actually see their light, instead of the projection.

 

Rhonda – Exactly. And you can see that’s where they are. And you don’t have this, if somebody asked for your help, you’ll do anything and you give it, you’re not overcome with this I have to fix everybody. You know because everybody is just in the perfect place where they are. They’re exactly where they’re meant to be. Somebody wrote to me and said how do I get back on track? And I said, well you’re never off track, ever

 

Danica – Explain that, what does that mean for them when you’re, don’t worry about it every everything is perfect, you’re right on track, what is that, what should that be telling them?

 

Rhonda – Well because immediately, first of all immediately you let go of resistance, so the mind is saying, oh you’re off track, you’re off track, and then you believe it, and then you, and then you create it, and then you feel like you’re off track, and I’m saying but you’re actually on track, you’re perfectly on track. Now if I could’ve had a conversation with the person, I would’ve said to them, are you the one that is off track, or are you the one who is aware that you’re off track? Are you the one that’s aware, or are you the one that’s off track? And we are always the one that’s aware, which is the observer right? The observer, and so, that kind of frees you up right away because it stops the mind from kind of getting you and having you identify with this concept, that the mind is that just made up, it just made up this concept, you’re off track, we swallowed it hook line and sinker, we perpetuated it, we’re off track, or believe it. I’m off track, I’m off track, no you’re not you’re perfectly on track, and then to look at it in an even bigger perspective is that we are always exactly what we are meant to be. And Robert Adams used to say, everything is unfolding exactly as it should. And everyone is going to be fine in the end. None of us can be hurt or harmed in the end, none of us, we are all eternal, and it’s up to everybody to discover that about themselves, and I can only encourage people and say, it’s the greatest journey you’ll ever take, is to find out who you are, and to free yourself, it’s really really wonderful, but there’s death of the body for sure but there’s not death of the consciousness of who we are. And so we’re just here having fun.

 

Danica – I’m curious if you feel like you come into… that we come into life as people with a purpose and a mission? I’m asking that because The Secret is all about manifesting your life and asking the universe and sort of allowing the flow of things, so do you feel like you came in with a purpose? And some of your stories you talk about this knowing that you have, there’s like it’s almost like it’s this tiny bit of information that unlocked this huge vast library of… of content and knowing. And so, I wonder where you stand on that, do you feel like you came in with a mission?

 

Rhonda – I do and definitely The Secret was a part of that for sure. I mean I looked back on my life, and I just saw how I had just been shaped all the way along for that moment. I just felt my entire life was heading toward that moment, even to the point of, to give you an example, I worked in television, and I worked in news, and so I was very aware of news manipulating stories the way they wanted to manipulate them, and so when The Secret became massive I had every show and organization wanting to interview me, newspapers and everything, and I knew because of my experience with news that if I succumb to all of that and did all of that, there would just be this thing building you up, and then tearing you down. I knew not to do it. Now I would never have known that had I have not had the experience in news, and so I was very careful about what I did, I did Oprah because I knew that Oprah lived her life, you know this way and so I was very particular about what I did. The other thing was that I wanted to make sure that the message was the star and not me. I’m happy to be there to say this is what I discovered and I had to share it with the world and I really did. I just couldn’t have lived without sharing this. It was a force that was coming through me, so I definitely know that the journey I ended up on was the journey that I was meant to be on, however I want to say that it’s the same for everybody. It’s just more easily marked you know with The Secret because it was a big event. But with everybody’s lives you know they may be a mother and she has three children and she does all of these things of bringing up the children and the children grow up to be beautiful human beings, that is exactly what she was meant to do. She’s meant to be the beautiful mother to have that experience to shape those beings, her children and so, I just know that that’s why we’re on track in every given moment even if we’re hurting. We are still on track now… but what is our purpose? Like our purpose I am absolutely convinced is to find out who we are? I think that’s our purpose is to realize that we are much more than what we’re seeing. And I think that’s our ultimate purpose because when we discover that, we are free. When we discover it, I don’t mean it as a concept or intellectually, when we experience it for ourself then we’re free and then we find permanent happiness, and then we’re not afraid of death, because we know we don’t die, you know so.

 

Danica – Have you had any transcendental or spiritual moments that showed you a different reality, or showed you, showed you perhaps source, god, higher dimension, have you ever had any of those moments?

 

Rhonda – I have, yes I have. I had, probably the one that had the biggest impact on me was when I was a child and I was about 10 or 12 years of age, and I was one of four girls at that time, and we were very protected by my parents, so there wasn’t a lot of socializing in those times, we would just really, the siblings, we would just play with each other but I was sent away to a school camp and that was a really big deal for me to be separated from my family. I’ve never been separated from them before, and I was very shy, and so we went to this camp and somehow or another, I had developed this really really bad… what I came to see later on, a migraine headache. And I didn’t even, I was even, I was so shy I didn’t even tell the teachers that I was so sick, and I remember we were in these huts and we all were put to bed and of course the moment you lay down with the migraine it’s even worse than ever right? I felt so ill and but still too afraid to tell anybody, so I just walked out of the hut, I can’t even believe that I did this, but it was night and I walked out of the hut and down the little steps and this camp was by the ocean and I stood on this cliff edge, and I said in my 12 or 10-year-old way, if there is a God please take away this headache right now. And not only did the headache dissolve instantly, but the most incredible joy and ecstasy and love swept all through me, and I had tears pouring down my face and there… and from that moment on I always knew that God existed. Yeah. Always and so it wouldn’t matter if the whole world said, oh no, no such thing. Now from my own experience I knew it and the way I see that God is very different from the way I saw that God when I was 10-year-old. I saw that it was something separate from me right? You know that God out there, and sort of talking to the sky. So that was a really big experience, but I’ve had many, many, spiritual experiences which like the earlier one that collapsed time and space and where I’m here, but then I’m there.

 

Danica – Wait, what did you tell that story? Was that the reading?

 

Rhonda – The reading one and I’ve been in some places and then I’m in another place.

 

Danica – Tell me more about that? That sounds like fun astral travel.

 

Rhonda – So I was with the teacher and we were 60 miles away from the city and…and I asked this teacher a question about, you know, dimensions and travelling from one dimension to the next, and he… he said close your eyes to all of us in the car. We were travelling on a freeway, and we could see the city way in the distance, like 60 or so miles away so we closed our eyes and next thing there was this bump. And we opened our eyes we were in the driveway, in the city in the driveway. Yeah.

 

Danica – Do you remember what happened in that time frame or was…?

 

Rhonda – There was no time.

 

Danica – So was this a shaman, was this a shaman?

 

Rhonda – No. No. It was just a teacher he was a teacher, and yeah, he just, I think had a really good understanding of time and space, and that doesn’t really exist. Yeah so. I was really lucky because we… there were five people in the car and one of them was my daughter as well so, but what was really amazing about that experience for me, is that, is this, is that what it had me see was that nothing is what it appears to be. And when you can have an experience where what you believe is, you know solid, and can’t move, and when you have an experience like that, it just, you kind of melt and then all of the fixed ideas you have, begin to collapse, the things that you’re convinced that you’re walking into a room. I mean quantum physics tells us, you know… quantum physics tells us that when we walk out of a room it doesn’t exist anymore and the room just appears when we observe it. And so, I mean, I studied quantum physics and so are used to try, and you know catch the room coming back into existence.

 

Danica – Right. Right.

 

Rhonda – Which is really hysterical, right?

 

Danica – There is a really high probability that it is a virtual reality.

 

Rhonda – It definitely is, and I remember a teacher Lester Levenson saying that reality is actually very vaporous, so therefore very malleable. Now I definitely know when I was researching The Secret that I didn’t do it deliberately, but time just collapsed. It just collapsed for me. It’s just, and I was able to do things in kind of no time at all. And you can’t explain that. That’s beyond what we see as reality but I would just say to people that if you look at quantum physics everything that you think is real isn’t real anyway.

 

Danica – Yeah even the doctor… oh sorry the scientist that discovered and I’m not going say this in exact scientific terms, but basically when he discovered that nothing is really real and nothings really matter, it’s energy…

 

Rhonda – It’s energy.

 

Danica – … it’s like, it’s just energy, it’s little tornadoes we are just a little mini tornado. We are at this density that we collect into this form but when he discovered that he got up the next day and put his feet down on the ground and he was afraid he would fall through the floor, because he knew that nothing was actually matter.

 

Rhonda – That is was solid. I can actually relate I can actually understand that. I’ve haven’t had that experience, but I can totally understand that. When you can see that none of it is really there, and I have had realizations of oh my gosh, everything that we experience of the world is all experienced on the inside. We can’t actually prove there’s an outside like I would go out all through these experiments to breakdown the very concrete structure that the mind has created, so that I could open to the possibility of seeing the way things really are. And of course, the way things really are are way more beautiful, is way more beautiful than the way the mind has constructed it. Way more beautiful.

 

Danica – What have you learned? Are you aware of your gifts? Like what you’re able to do, or see, sort of beyond the normal? Any of those kinds of things? Cos I just get the sense that like you have, there’s sort like a claircognizant nature to you where you just know things. Have you ever, have you found those out?

 

Rhonda – Do you know I can remember this mentor of mine… I could see things, light and all kinds of things, and auras, I remember I walked passed a person and could see they had this aura around them, and I’d be like wow, this is so cool. I would see light like someone would be talking and it was on a really beautiful subject and I would see all this light coming from their hand, and I just thought, oh this is so cool. And so, I had a mentor at the time who’s Spanish and an Imperator of an order that helps raise consciousness. I was telling him about all these experiences that I had, and I was super excited to tell him, and he just sat there kind of mmm. He said, it’s normal. It’s normal. And it was really amazing about that because I thought it was like supernatural, but he was telling me it’s all natural. And so anything… the ability to know things, and I do know things, like if I am, like I know for example, there was a friend of ours and she was rushed to hospital, and she was pregnant, and the baby was….. I think she was like 32 weeks and my daughter came to me and said, can you please give her magic dust, so that she will be okay with the baby. And I said that little girl is going to be just fine, and I said she’s having a girl right? And my daughter said, they don’t know what they are having. And I said, oh it’s a girl and she’s going to be fine. And Poppy was born, and she was just fine. And I just knew that. How did I know that? I just knew that but it’s the same for everybody. There’s nothing special here at all, it is just open your mind, just open yourself to the possibility that things are different from the way that you think they are, and that they are more beautiful, more magnificent, more amazing. Because people can be really afraid, you know like you they think all I don’t want to see light. Seeing light is gorgeous there’s nothing to be afraid of, and that’s also the other thing my mentor said to me, there’s nothing spiritual that can ever harm you, there’s nothing to ever be afraid of. Yeah, because people are afraid, they’re afraid of the dark and… No nothing spiritual can ever, ever, harm us. So yes. I just took that into my heart.

 

Danica – I would agree and I would, I mean I have had some weird mystical sort of like scary things that have happened.

 

Rhonda – You have?

 

Danica – Oh yeah yeah. One of them, I mean I’ve heard the good ones the sort of transcendental good ones, but I’ve also had a few bad ones. And I remember one in particular I was, I was in a hotel, and I was asleep, and I woke up to, I woke up, I didn’t wake up, I awoken from my dream to a silhouette of a little boy that was like a black see-through sort of smoky image of like a little boy. And it ran around the room and then it sort of jumped on the bed and started jumping on the bed, and I turned over to go to sleep, like I turned over away from the facing side to the door, and then it laid down in the bed next to me staring at me, and the only thing that I knew to do at that point in time even in my sort of lucid state, was to pray. And so I just asked for this to go, for help, for angels, for all the support, and I fell asleep, and I woke up, and I had cried in the night so like my eyes were crusty, and so things can scare you, but nothing can hurt you.

 

Rhonda – Nothing can hurt you no no. Nothing at all. I mean I can remember my, the ceiling of my bedroom. I would wake up and it would have all these hieroglyphics over it, you know all of these…yeah. I’d be like wow look at that. You know all of these like symbols, Egyptian symbols and everything, and that just did not surprise me because I had traced The Secret back to the ancient mystery schools so the fact that all of this appeared on the ceiling just didn’t surprise me at all. I just laid there and was like wow this is gorgeous.

 

Danica – Have you been to Egypt? I went to Egypt earlier this year finally.

 

Rhonda – No I haven’t.

 

Danica – I have been called to Egypt for probably since I was probably 18 or 19. I thought the oddball place that I wanted to go and so I went this was 20 years ago. Where nobody was wanting to go to Egypt 20 years ago well at least not in my reality. And I finally ended up going and it was one of those scenarios that all went very quick. I was doing a Joe Dispenza, I was with Joe Dispenza in Santa Barbara and it was just like a one day little event and there was about 20 of us, and there was a manifestation technique showed where we write down a letter representing what we wanted to manifest and the reasons why and then elevate emotions and connecting with it and so at dinner that night, a girl turned over and said and she goes I heard you’re interested in Egypt and I said what? I was like shocked do you know what I wrote down? And she said no, she goes but the girl next to me said you were talking about Egypt earlier and there’s a trip in February if you want to go? And so that all came down within two hours after manifesting it, and the funny thing was that I really release the timeline on manifesting it, and I thought I’ll focus on this for the next couple of years if it takes to manifest the right trip, and it came about and so we ended up going in February, and it was so beautiful, and it was just, you know, you really understand, you really get the perspective, the main perspective where is that we don’t get it. Like we don’t see it at all, we don’t know it all, we have no idea how anything is done, we’re talking about what was written on the walls, but we don’t even know how they made the walls. How they are so perfect. How did they do that, we don’t know. And so there is just there is a lot of mystery and so you know, and you talking about the mystery schools, you know I’m not well-versed in that but there’s like Isis’s mystery school, Hathor mystery school, right?

 

Rhonda – That’s right.

 

Danica – They’re all the different…

 

Rhonda – They were masters of the mind. I mean they could manifest incredibly, and they were absolute Masters.

 

Danica – What did you learn about them? What was the mystery schools that you learned when you traced it all right back?

 

Rhonda – Well all of the teachers’ teachings like that we create our reality, and the, that the mind is projecting absolutely everything and so the mind is creating everything and so that was really the biggest thing. I mean basically it’s all the principles of The Secret, I mean it’s just the law of the mind and it’s the way that everything works, and subconscious mind, and the conscious mind, and thoughts, and so all of those things which came from the mystery schools, there was an order where I, is called the Rose Cross Order in Europe, and I landed upon that order when I was going back in time, and that order took me to all of these incredible people. Like Francis Bacon and all these, Victor Hugo and all of these men who knew all of this. Yeah. And Isaac Newton who was a part of this secret order and the reason it was secret was because you were executed if you tried to empower people then. And so they worked in secret but all of their teachings came from the ancient mystery schools. I studied these teachings of the Rose Cross Order. Something like 22 degrees so I’ve studied those over the years since The Secret. And you know it’s incredible because you learn all about just everything. All about physicality, the cycles, Karma, the law of Karma and all of the things that you learn. I saw that you had the book by the three initiates the Kybalion. And so you learn all of those things the law of vibration, the law of gender, and all of those kinds of things. And so I learned all of those things and then many spiritual things. Learned one of the spiritual things I learned was how to pop clouds, and you think why do you need to pop clouds? Well because it shows you the power of the mind and the focus of the mind, and so that’s in a degree like years into a degree, I think it was maybe something like the 11^th degree, and I thought wow can I do this. But you know you’ve taken all of the steps to that path and it’s just understanding that everything is consciousness, and that cloud is not all that way away from me. We were taught to put ourselves in the middle of the cloud and blow it away. I would project myself into the middle of the cloud and I would feel the cold of the cloud all around me, and then I would just blow it away, and I would open my eyes and I would see oh. A whole lot of the cloud is gone and I close my eyes again and I blow again and the cloud would be completely gone. They did that so that you can understand the power of the mind. That all of this is the mind, and we have the power to be able to do things like that.

 

Danica – That’s like the three initiates, the whole thing is that, all is the mind. All is in the mind.

 

Rhonda – All is in the mind. Yeah all is in the mind.

 

Danica – All is in the mind. So how many degrees are there?

 

Rhonda – 33.

 

Danica – Is this the Mason, Masonry?

 

Rhonda – It’s not the Freemasons, no. No it’s completely different to the Freemasons yeah. It’s…  Nobody has ever heard of this order… well nobody… Not so much in the United States. I think more in Europe because the order has… Well at the moment you know it’s in the Canary Islands. But the teachings are translated and you can get, and you get pamphlets and you learn everything about the world, the duality of the world, the mind, karma, the body, you come to understand that the body is a perfect mirror of the solar system, and each organ is reflected in the solar system. As within so without, as above so below. And so all of those things you’re just learning and seeing those things, and it’s just revealed to you very precisely and exactly… yeah. Very exact, and these teachings have been passed on through hundreds of years, and preserved for people you know who are ready to learn about that kind of thing. You learn all about vibration and sounds and the om, and you know what you can even do with the sound, you know how you can use that. I don’t do any of those things anymore. I did and I loved it all oms, the raa’s… I loved doing all of those things and understanding. Like they tell you the lost word and all of those incredible things. I mean I have all of that I guess, so I’ve absorbed all of that. And it’s all fantastic and without a doubt it has helped me on my journey. But I don’t, I’m not kind of seeking out that kind of thing anymore because I feel that I have found all that I needed to find.

 

Danica – What I keep hearing is all in all of the stories that I’m so grateful you’re sharing, they are so interesting is that, you have proven over and over and over in different ways how powerful the mind is. And that might be kind of feeling for even myself, or maybe someone else might need to hear, just try things, just see what you can do, and so since you’ve proven to yourself through these modalities and these techniques and these skills and these ancient traditions, that you have this power. So it’s not a matter of how to practice it, you use it when you need it.

 

Rhonda – That’s true. That’s absolutely true, and my life is so smooth. And also, it’s so smooth but also, I’m so allowing of everything now. I’m just like so if something happens that normally I would think, I don’t want that, or I want to change that, I don’t want to change it. I just know that everything is unfolding perfectly and so if something occurs that is maybe not what I want then I just really release that. I release that feeling and that I don’t want it, and then it changes. That’s the thing, the only reason that something stays the same is because of our resistance.

 

Danica – grasping it.

 

Rhonda – Exactly that.

 

Danica – I’m so good at the death grip to practicing it for 27 years. So fundamentally then in all of this learning, in all of this exposure to these traditions and these.. in history why is it hidden?

 

Rhonda – I would ask that question all the time to the Imperator. I would say to him all of these secrets, they should be released into the world. People should know these things and he would say to me, you know people aren’t ready. They’re not ready to hear these things, and he said, anybody who is ready will be led to these things. So in other words when the student is ready the teacher will appear. Right? And you’ve just got to be on that frequency. I remember that I used to think the Imperator, he would have masters appear, and I want a master to appear. I want a master to appear. And he would say to me, there’s only one master. Yes. Yes. The master is within you. There’s only one and the master is within you. And now I see that. I see all of the things that he used to say to me and that all of them made… Some of them are frustrating at the time…

 

Danica – I was just going say that. They are always frustratingly simple, the advice. That’s not helping, right now.

 

Rhonda – That’s right, and there are things that I discovered like I don’t know 10 years later, and I would say to him, I’ve just had this realization and I would explain it and he would say yes you are correct. And I was like why it would’ve helped me a lot if you told me that 10 years ago, you know. But I wouldn’t have been able to hear it. Like consciousness is expanding and so you can only hear what you’re ready to hear, but I want to say to everybody there is so much for you to hear. There’s so much for you to see and just to… just keep opening yourself to the possibility that there is… nothing is the way that it appears to be.

 

Danica – On the heels of the original inspiration and story about insatiable drive to learn and absorb after reading that book, which I’m so glad I heard the story about your daughter giving you the book because I wondered when I re-watched The Secret the other night, because I was like, I should buff up and re-watch The Secret, and how the post-it on the book it said mamma, you need this, what was it?…

 

Rhonda – Yeah it’s this will help. Mama this will help.

 

Danica – Mamma this will help so I’m glad I heard the story but what is it now and I’m exaggerating it in my words, but I’m using it as an analogy what keeps you up at night now?

 

Rhonda – Just being. Just being. That is such dud answer because it’s not very exciting. So it’s kind of no mind, just letting the mind….and just being and the one thing that I found was The Secret was so extraordinary in helping me use the mind for what it’s meant to be used for which is to create what we want. And so my thoughts became positive and I really became very aware of negative thoughts, and I wouldn’t allow them to rest on me. So my life really became incredible in every area of my life because all of my thoughts were really positive. I would pick people up when they would say something, I’d be like don’t say that don’t say that, change what you’re saying, cancel that out, don’t say that, say what you want, don’t say what you don’t want. And so my life was really really incredible, the difference now is that The Secret helped me so much because it helped me master the mind in that way and now the mind does not have control. It doesn’t have control and so now I have, I exist with this beautiful happiness and just use the mind when I need the mind like to talk to you today, and just use the mind when it’s necessary but the mind is not really as strong, doesn’t have the strength to kind of rise up and take over, and take me down a rabbit hole with some story it’s created, and then have me buy into that story, and believe it, and then have me suffer because of that story. It doesn’t have that kind of power over me anymore and it was just a progression, first of all The Secret and then becoming so aware of your thoughts. You know just becoming aware, and aware of how you’re feeling because feelings and thoughts are both the mind.

 

Danica – Is that what by the way The Greatest Secret this book it’s heavy, it’s really heavy. Is it that gold I’m wondering if it’s actual real gold because is that The Greatest Secret to release the mind that there is no mind.

 

Rhonda – Absolutely it is, that is the way. It is heavy and I think it’s the paper…

 

Danica – It’s beautiful.

 

Rhonda – And it’s thick too. Yeah to release the mind it’s really to… it continues on from The Secret because The Secret tells you how to use the mind to what you want and The Greatest Secret does… it shows you how to release the mind, it can’t be there to torture us, sabotage our life, and create negativity, and with negative thoughts, negative feelings torture us with negative feelings. You know getting angry over things and all of that and keep creating all of the circumstances out in the world, that trick us, so that the emotions arise in us so it’s to be free of all of the suffering. So yeah, that’s really what it is and when you remove all of those things of the mind then what is left is the most exquisite happiness that is unshakeable, will not move even in an urgent situation, you know. If an urgent situation arises that happiness is there, but if an urgent situation arises, you know, you will be led to do exactly the right thing. You’ll be guided to do the exact exactly the right thing whereas the mind will be, what will I do? What will I do? But instead, you are just kind of being placed everywhere perfectly in life, way better than you could ever do yourself.

 

Danica – Ain’t that the truth.

 

Rhonda – Isn’t it.

 

Danica – Ain’t that the truth. Well thank you so much for your 15 years guiding us and exposing The Secret and giving us all tools to happiness and having the things that we really want in life and recognizing at the end of the day our true innate power.

 

Rhonda – Thank you. And thank you so much for having me, it’s been a delight to talk to you.

 

Danica – Thanks everybody for listening to the Pretty Intense Podcast today. I hope you enjoyed it.

Due to popular demand, creator and author of The Secret, Rhonda Byrne returns to talk with life-style entrepreneur Lewis Howes for his podcast, The School of Greatness. Rhonda and Lewis discuss her latest release, The Secret Manifestation Cards.Click below to watch the video or scroll down for a full transcript of the conversation.

Lewis Howes – Welcome back to the School of Greatness very excited about our guest we have the inspiring Rhonda Byrne in the house I’m so grateful that you’re here.

 

Rhonda – Oh thank you so much for having me here.

 

Lewis – We were just talking about this um right before that you have sold with The Secret almost 34 million copies are in print around the world translated in over 50 languages um and I believe this is one of your first down interviews in person since you did Oprah about 16 years ago.

 

Rhonda – That’s true.

 

Lewis – You’ve done a few virtual interviews over Zoom we did one that got millions of views around the world, and um, and you are back in person. I’m so grateful that you’re here because there’s definitely an energy about you in person that brings a different element, and I’m excited to talk about the things some things that we covered in the previous interview but even more, because you have this incredible piece of art that you’ve come out with called these manifestation cards. The Secret Manifestation Cards which are beautiful, and I want to go through a number of these today and talk about this. But you have received so much celebration over the last 16 years since The Secret came out.

 

Rhonda – Yeah.

 

Lewis – But you’ve also had criticism of The Secret and what this is.

 

Rhonda – Yeah.

 

Lewis – And so for people that don’t know what The Secret is, if they didn’t see our previous interview and this is their first time hearing about you and it’s their first time saying what is the law of attraction and The Secret.

 

Rhonda – Right, right.

 

Lewis – Can you explain what the Law of Attraction… explain the Law of Attraction and manifesting actually is in simple terms before we dive in deeper.

 

Rhonda – Sure. Gee it will be interesting to see, well interesting to see how I describe it now after all these years um. Basically, every, not basically, actually every human being is a

Creator. And they are creating their life, and we don’t know for many of us we did not know that that was the case. And we are creating our life through our thoughts. So, it’s not that our thoughts are powerful it’s that we are powerful, and so when we focus on a thought and we really hold that focus, that thought will manifest in our life. We create our own life through our thoughts and through the mind. The mind, our mind is super, super, super powerful. Yeah.

 

Lewis – For good or for worse.

 

Rhonda – Yes so for example um we can talk about what we want, and we will manifest that you know and so some people they just see the abundance in the world. You know that’s all that they see they don’t they don’t see any lack they just see abundance, and everything seems to go right for them everything falls into place for them they invest in this and its skyrockets. They buy a house in this place and that suburb goes crazy and it’s like everything they touch turns to gold but it’s because they have the mindset that is toward wealth and abundance and they don’t have a mindset toward luck and we have a lack mindset when we say things like I’m broke, I don’t have enough, I don’t have enough to pay my bills. And you see whatever we say, is what our life will be, and so if we are saying I don’t have enough money, then by law of attraction we will not have enough money we will continue to not have enough money so what we have to do is we need to speak about what we want and we need to talk about for example if it’s money, or if it’s health, or if we’re not feeling really great then we can talk about what it feels like to be really well instead of talking about not being well. Right? Because if we’re talking about not being well, we’re attracting more of that more of that more of that.

 

Lewis – Right.

 

Rhonda – That’s basically law of attraction. I mean it is so wonderful and it’s so intricate and the more that you… The more that it becomes a part of your life the more you see the little kind of twists and turns.

 

Lewis – Synchronicities.

 

Rhonda – Yeah like for example, if you’re saying, yeah I’m so overwhelmed there’s just so much going on at the moment, and I can’t get on top of things and I’m just overwhelmed. Guess what? Guess what’s coming, more overwhelming, more.

 

Lewis – You know so when we speak about things that are frustrating us, that are overwhelming, that are stressing us out, that we’re in lack of, when we speak about them or we’re constantly in a loop of thinking of those thoughts and then speaking them to ourselves or to others, what I’m hearing you say is it’s going to be a lot harder to get beyond those struggles then to speak in a different way, or think in a different way, is that what I’m hearing you say?

 

Rhonda – That’s what, that’s the case and in fact until we think differently it won’t change.

 

Lewis – Really.

 

Rhonda – It wouldn’t matter all the action in the world all the action in the world will not override a belief, that we have and usually when we speak, for example, if I’m saying I’m so overwhelmed, so much is happening, and when we’re saying, “I’m so overwhelmed” we believe it, like we’re saying it with conviction, right? And so, the fact that we believe it, it’s not going to change we’re going to keep more things are going to come more things are going to come.

 

Lewis –  And even if someone let’s say they, they did work hard for a long time and they’re feeling this overwhelmed and all of a sudden they started to make a lot more money but it’s not going to change the overwhelm if they keep thinking it.

 

Rhonda – That’s right.

 

Lewis – So more money might come because you spent more time in this world and worked hard, and it’s just your time to make more.

 

Rhonda – Right.

 

Lewis – Right but you still might say well I’m still overwhelmed it’s not enough, right? There’s not enough feeling even though you have more you’re still stressed and overwhelmed.

 

Rhonda – You’re still stressed and overwhelmed.

 

Lewis – That’s why you see people with money, some people with money who aren’t fulfilled or happy they’re still overwhelmed.

 

Rhonda – That’s right yeah.

 

Lewis – So how do we shift it so that when more comes our way we’re actually not feeling more overwhelmed, but more in abundance and grateful for that.

 

Rhonda – It’s so simple it’s so easy we just have to talk about think about what we want. And do we want to feel overwhelmed, and no, we don’t. So what do what do you want? I want all of the success, but I want it to be effortless and easy, and I want to have lots of spare time, and I want to really be enjoying it, and I want. Like talk about what you want, and talk about what you want until you have what you want.

 

 

Lewis – When people talk about what they don’t want consistently, what typically happens?

 

Rhonda – They get that. That’s what they get more of what they don’t want. Yeah, they get more of what they don’t want. If we could just talk about what we want our life would be incredible, incredible, amazing spectacular, that’s it. Just to talk about, but we are so, we have a world that’s very beautiful, but orientated towards drama, and you know news is negative and so you know it’s challenging for people, but we’re all in it together.

 

Lewis – Yes.

 

Rhonda – Because we’re all dealing with the mind, and the mind that might be delivering a whole lot of negative thoughts, but not one of us, it’s not harder for one or easier for another. We all have this mind that can be like a flat mate and chatter, chatter, chatter, non-stop chatter, keep going on you know. So, we all we’re all dealing with that and the mind it’s just a, it’s just a program it’s not an entity it’s just a program, and so through I think because certainly through my experience through The Secret, you can to totally train your mind to be positive so that it is not leaning toward the negative all of the time and positive is just what you want.

 

Lewis – Right.

 

Rhonda – Right.

 

Lewis – When someone is thinking or speaking about what they want does that mean that they are in lack of it, or how do they speak about it where it’s not from a place of lack.

 

Rhonda – Right. It’s a good question because…

 

Lewis –  like I want this I want this but I don’t have it so how do we speak about it where we’re in gratitude and positive around it as opposed to I really want this thing but it’s not my life right now but I want it.

 

Rhonda – yeah but the problem is you just canceled out the manifestation when you said but it’s not in my life right now. Yeah because if you if you’re saying that… I you know I well you could say it like this, ‘I would really love to have this…’ it’s a little bit softer right than I want but you but to manifest something that you, to deliberately manifest you have to want it but then you can’t have any thoughts of well it’s not here yet. Because the moment you say it’s not here yet what does law of attraction do, it’s not here yet.

 

Lewis – And it’s constantly not here yet.

 

Rhonda – Yeah.

 

Lewis – So say so say this again, how do we really manifest something? We put it out there we speak it, or we think it but then we detach from it.

 

Rhonda – Yeah. And you know here’s the thing we so don’t realize our own amazing power that we can just ask for something and it will be given to us.

 

Lewis – Now here’s what here’s what the criticism online is for The Secret or the power of manifestation, the law of attraction, or anyone talking about manifesting…

 

Rhonda – Okay

 

Lewis – This is what I’ll see people ,and this is typically people in lack or maybe people with more of a negative frustration because they don’t have what they want, they will say, or these are comments that I’ll see you can’t just think something and expect it to appear without putting in the hard work, without action, without consistency, it’s just the world just doesn’t work like that. When you see comments like that or people say this, how would you respond to someone saying, thinking that, or saying that?

 

Rhonda – Well I don’t um I always kind of feel that everybody has the right to think what they want, and believe what they want, and I know it’s not the case. I remember Lester Levenson said something so incredible, he was a wonderful teacher, he’s not alive anymore but he was very simple in the way that he talked. He told these students that if you want something, I could lock you up in a room and padlock that room and you ask for that, and you know you have it, right, you know you have it now, and it will come.

 

Lewis – Really?

 

Rhonda – Yeah it will come. And nothing in this world can stop it. So…

 

Lewis – Wow. What are some examples in your life where you’ve thought or spoken about something you desired or wanted, and it has come effortlessly. Or maybe an example of people that have written about their success stories, is there anything you can think of?

 

Rhonda – right.

 

Lewis – Maybe for a long time they’d struggled in manifesting or attracting what they wanted but they started to apply this and really believed it and that thing came to them?

 

Rhonda – Right well when I did a book signing and I had I got to talk to all of these different people and every single person at that book signing told me about how their life had completely changed. And what was amazing was so somebody would say that they wanted to have… they were working, I don’t know cleaning a bank or something and they wanted to have their own sound studio, and that is what they decided to manifest and they visualized and visualized and they felt it and they wouldn’t allow any thoughts of doubt to enter their mind. They are now running one of the top sound studios in LA.

 

Lewis – Wow

 

Rhonda – But not just that, they met their perfect partner, they bought their dream house they have, you know, two children, or they travel. Every single thing that they wanted they received and that was what was so amazing about all of these people when I was signing books. It wasn’t just one thing in their life, but these people were amazing. They did gratitude all of the time or they did affirmations all of the time and they had a complete change within themselves. You know to be kind, you know to other people, and so they would think positively, they were aware when negative thoughts came, and they would stop them in their tracks. For me I think the biggest manifestation for me was The Secret.

 

Lewis -Yeah

 

Rhonda – Because I was a mother of two children in Melbourne Australia, I had this night where Henny Penny the sky fell in, everything in my life completely collapsed right and I had a huge awakening that night. And realized how… realized all of this and how incredible we are and what we can do, and what mastery we have over the world, and there and then I looked out at the world and I’m like, no one knows this. No one knows this and so I was determined that I would find a way to take this to the world. I had no idea what shape or form it would take or, but that night I determined that that is what I would do. Eventually a whole team were gathered I had a production company at that point, and everybody might think oh if you had a production company, it’s so easy for you to make a documentary. Aha but let me tell you. Aha there’s a snag, I was $2 million in debt. R

 

Lewis – Really?

 

Rhonda – That production company was $2 million in debt and my accountant told me you’re going to be broke in 30 days and lose everything. Lose everything and to this day I don’t know how it didn’t happen. I do know because I didn’t allow that thought, I only allowed the thought of taking this to the world, and nothing else mattered.

 

Lewis – Wow

 

Rhonda – Getting this out into the world. Getting back to your point, I would like, I don’t want to I remember when I did time 100, and they had all the cameras that was an interesting experience. Well were on the red carpet and walking down and they were all like, what do you say to the naysayers? And I said, “Good for them, good for them”. Because I think one problem we have in the world is people wanting other people to believe what they believe. You know I discovered something incredible I absolutely know it’s the case through my experience through tens of thousands and millions of people’s experience, I know it’s the case, but if there’s somebody that isn’t ready for this in their life, that’s fine.

 

Lewis – Yeah right.

 

Rhonda – Right. That’s totally fine.

 

Lewis –  Because a lot of people feel like they might be in a breakdown you know during that moment of your life you have were struggling with you know business different things in your life that were happening, relationships it sounds like there were some challenges boiling up, but then this wisdom within you came out, and you decided to act on it. And one of these cards again this is this is a beautiful piece of art these cards, these manifestation cards, and I want people to get this we’ll have everything linked up, and I’ve gone through a lot of these already. They’re amazing, I wish I would have created this. This is incredible it says this card is great for this point of the conversation where it says, ‘Everything is always on track always, no matter where you are in your life currently and no matter how difficult things might appear to be in this moment you are always being moved toward magnificence’.

 

Rhonda – Yes.

 

Lewis – So why are we moved toward magnificence even when we’re in breakdown stress and feel like we’re suffering? How are we on track when we’re in that moment?

 

Rhonda – Well we are though. We are and I mean if I use myself as an example, and sometime excuse me for doing that but, that night that I talked about where everything collapsed in a heap and I was going to be broke my health was really bad my relationships were in a mess, my father had died really suddenly he was young, and he had died really suddenly and my parents just had the love affair that I’ve most beautiful love affair I’ve ever seen so my mother was in terrible grief, and so I had all of these things, and then I was going to be bust in 30 days. So I was able to turn all of that around and if that hadn’t happened that night, and I’ve thought about all of the things that led up to that night, and you know I was making six documentary films about murder. Can you imagine?

 

Lewis – Wow

 

Rhonda – Yeah, a subject like and it was heart-wrenching cuz these were unsolved murders, and talking to the families, and everything like that, but it was perfection. The way that all of these things lined up, that I was making these movies and then that I plummeted into grief with my father, that I was so stressed about my mother, and all of these things led to this incredible night on the 9th of September at 9:30 at night. Where everything fell in a heap and I… We could all say oh but that was so terrible all those things happened and not long before that you know years before that I’d been fired and never imagined I’d ever get fired but if any of those things hadn’t happened, I would never ever have discovered The Secret. I’ve been through lots of tough things since, you know…

 

Lewis – It hasn’t been perfect?

 

Rhonda – …when. No. When we’re human you know, we’re going to have things… We’re going to have things that will come that will have us go further, reach further be more magnificent be more understanding be more compassionate. You know when you lose somebody really close to you, you become very compassionate you know it helps to instil all of that. So absolutely I say that we are all on track. The first thing people always ask me is what do you feel about the world, do you know, ‘oh my gosh it’s a mess’. And I just say everything’s unfolding perfectly. It really and truly is, it’s unfolding perfectly. And the same for everybody and somebody might be going through a really rough diagnosis, but from where I am there’s no end for any of us.

 

 

Lewis – Really?

 

Rhonda – No we are we are Consciousness, there’s no end.

 

Lewis – Right, right. So it’s not going to end even if there’s a bad diagnosis in our in our life?

 

Rhonda – No this is just this is just the vehicle, this is just the car ,you know that we’re that we’re using to travel around in the world. Yeah.

 

Lewis – You this is one another one of your cards that I love that speaks into this and I hope you don’t mind me reading some of these this one says, ‘Be grateful for your challenges’, and you wrote all of these from your wisdom which I think is amazing. It says, ‘Be grateful for your challenges, it’s all of the hard things and apparently negative things that happen to us which give us deep desire to change our lives. Be grateful for them because they have given you the strength and determination to manifest something different, and you will change your life.’ And we were talking about this beforehand. about how hard it is to watch people suffer. How hard it is to watch people you care about, suffer people struggling in the world that you don’t know about and seeing suffering happening it’s very challenging to witness especially if you have a lot of compassion in your heart, if you have, if you’re empathetic towards individuals and if you felt pain yourself.

 

Rhonda – Yes. Yes.

 

Lewis – Very challenging, very,  so how can people be grateful for their challenges even though we know…. I know you know, and I know that our biggest challenges of our past got us to where we are today. It’s like those moments of complete pain and suffering taught me my biggest lessons which have given me strength and courage today, but how can people fully understand that when they have a horrible disease, when they’ve lost someone in their life too soon, when there’s an unfortunate war in their individual life, or in their country, they’re going bankrupt, how can we empower people to be grateful for their challenges when there’s so much. How to be grateful during tough times, pain and suffering in their life?

 

Rhonda – Because being grateful is what will change their lives. And so the difficulties that they’re facing, I mean, we have a lot of stories on our website about people with health challenges and how those those health challenges just disappeared with love and gratitude, so, and just being grateful. Being grateful is I mean that that is just number one, that’s the fastest way for anybody to change their life. And I think if you went out and asked most people they would be, they would say, oh yeah, I know it’s important to be grateful. I think most people would agree with that. Grateful isn’t spiritual or you know, it’s just being grateful. I just say if you want to see the power that you have to change your life really fast then start doing gratitude, and it will just blow your mind.

 

Lewis – It changes everything, again next card I just turned to, it is, ‘Gratitude is The Great Multiplier. Set the Universal forces in your favor for tomorrow. Tonight before you fall asleep, go back over your whole day in your mind and replay each good moment, feeling genuine gratitude for each one. This practice ensures the Universe will make your tomorrow a day filled with good moments, and plenty to be grateful for, for the next day as well’.

 

Rhonda – Absolutely.

 

Lewis – And when we are ungrateful when we are not in appreciation for the good the bad the ugly, what happens in our lives when we lack gratitude?

 

Rhonda – We’re taking things for granted, which means things will be taken from us.

 

Lewis – Oh!

 

Rhonda – Yeah, yeah. When we take things for granted, they get taken from us. Yeah gratitude will hold absolutely everything to us in our life. It will just, it will stick everything to us.

 

Lewis – How do we be grateful when we’re in suffering or sadness or loss?

 

Rhonda – I know it’s really hard but there’s I guess, there’s like, there’s like, suffering sadness and loss that continues in that way, or there suffering with gratitude, and the suffering gets easier.

 

Lewis – Right.

 

Rhonda – Well there’s sadness with gratitude and the sadness begins to lift, or the loss with gratitude. I know because of my mother was so grief stricken with my father having died, and what brought my mother right out of it was gratitude. She was just so grateful that they got to have all of the years together that they had, that they had five children, there were five of us, and they had five children that they had an incredible life, that they loved. They loved each other was love at first sight and they loved and adored each other until the last moment. And she was so glad that he didn’t suffer. She just found so many things to be grateful for, and this was the love of her life, but from doing that gratitude she just lifted herself up and began to live a new life. You know, so what happened was she reduced the…  the pain, the pain, and the grief, because eventually it will lessen, but she and she just felt absolute love for everything that… I remember her saying to me she’s not alive now, but I remember her saying to me, ‘You know I’ve had such a blessed life’. I was like wow,

you know you went through a war, you went through… You know they didn’t have like I

came from very humble beginnings that my parents did not have much and yet she

saw her life as rich and blessed.

 

Lewis – Wow that’s beautiful. A lot of it is perspective you know. And if we hold on to resentment or lack of forgiveness in our life. we able to manifest and attract beautiful things if we hold on to resentment and anger and don’t forgive?

 

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Rhonda – I think we can still because we’re attracting every day so I think we can still attract things, but will those things bring us peace and happiness. Not when your heart is full of resentment because if you’re full of resentment, what you will attract is more people,

circumstances and events that will cause resentment.

 

Lewis – Oh my gosh.

 

Rhonda – That’s just to show you that there’s something to let go of you know. Everything’s very beautiful, everything’s beautiful.

 

Lewis – Can you explain that what does that mean something to let go of?

 

Rhonda – So it’s time to let go of that resentment. that because that original resentment is attached to some story or another that we have about somebody did something to us, and isn’t it crazy, that maybe somebody did, but then that we would carry that for years. And by carrying it we keep attracting more of more and more of it, so that just it just shows you how all of those religious texts and everything, they got it really right.

 

Lewis – Yeah of course.

 

 

Rhonda – When they said not to you know love thy enemy, and all of those things, that was said all of those things make total sense, don’t carry those things with you.

 

Lewis – well that lack of forgiveness that resentment is an energetic force that’s almost attracting more of those things and resisting the abundance, of peace and harmony. When you’re carrying and holding on to that anger, you’re resisting peace.

 

Rhonda – Yeah

 

Lewis – This is another card again I’m just in the flow right here, that says, ‘Feelings are powerful manifestors, remember that worry attracts more worry…’ just what you said.

‘… unhappiness attracts more unhappiness, fear attracts more fear, and remember that joy attracts more joy, happiness attracts more happiness, love attracts more love’. And it’s the times what I’m hearing you say, the times when it feels like it’s the hardest is the times when it’s the most important…

 

Rhonda – That’s right.

 

Lewis – … to be in a state of gratitude happiness and love. Because holding on to anger unhappiness and worry only attracts more of that.

 

Rhonda – More of it. And I think everybody experienced that right during covid.

 

Lewis – Yes.

 

Rhonda –  With all of the worry about covid, which then turned into fear, and people became more fearful, more fearful, and then things seemed to get worse, and then more fearful and things got worse, and things, got right?

 

Lewis – It did.

 

Rhonda – When you got the whole world when you’ve got when you have the majority of the world in so much fear it’s going to get worse.

 

Lewis – It is yeah. Do we, should we be thinking more about our thoughts or our feelings when it comes to manifesting and attracting abundance?

 

Rhonda – Good question. You know what I would say, I would say for people to choose whatever’s easiest for them. I did thoughts, I became very aware of my thoughts, but too I have to say I also became super, super, sensitive to what I was feeling. So much so that if I wasn’t feeling good, I would not open my computer, or any emails.

 

Lewis –

why is that?

 

Rhonda – Because if I’m on a frequency, if I’m on a frequency of frustration, when I open up those emails in comes frustration, in comes problems. And so I wouldn’t answer my phone if I wasn’t feeling good and in fact the whole Secret team knows very well…

 

Lewis – If you can’t get a hold of Rhonda…

 

Rhonda – No I said to them, if you don’t feel well, please don’t touch The Secret. And if you had an argument with your spouse, or you got really you know fell out of bed the wrong way, take the day off. Don’t touch The Secret.

 

Lewis – Unless you can shift out of it quickly…

 

Rhonda – If you’re unable to shift which they all can now, but this was early days. I was really careful. So feeling good, I guess if you ask people how did they feel they might say oh yeah I feel you know I feel pretty good, or they, but what I want to know is do you feel happy, because if you’re not feeling happy, then you’re unhappy. Like we could say there’s just two you know two.

 

Lewis – Black and white, happy or not happy.

 

Rhonda – Exactly. So, if you’re not feeling… And if you think about a time in your life when you felt happy, and I don’t mean over excited, or what I mean is just happy. You know just feeling full and happy, and it’s a great day, and you’re really positive and friendly to everybody. Yeah that’s happy, and the other that kind of numb feeling, or you know it’s another day kind of, that’s unhappiness.

 

Lewis – I will say Rhonda, I grew up not thinking that I was very smart or intelligent, I struggled in school. So, I had this belief that I wasn’t smart enough for really anyone or anything. And I was never going to be able to figure things out cuz, I had this kind of belief based on testing poorly, just struggling in school, was hard to read and write, and I just felt like everyone around me was smarter, based on kind of school system and tests. Now I learned later that that wasn’t true in other areas of life I had more Street smarts rather than school smarts, but I remember in my early 20s not thinking I had skills to go into a career, because I lacked success in school. And early on I was trying to figure out how can I start to make money how can I get opportunities for me when I don’t have these skills. And what I said to myself early on was I’m going to bring joy and happiness everywhere I go, When I would enter a room I would I would think about okay this is a pathway to joy and I would smile as I would cross the doorway I would cross it I would just open my heart to joy and smile and enter a room and smile at people. And when I would smile at other people and just ask them a question how’s your day, they would smile back and bring that mirroring energy. In this next

card here, you say, ‘Live In Joy. Humanity needs your joy. Planet earth needs your joy. The Universe needs your joy. And that’s why you are here; find what brings you joy, start living it, and you will have fulfilled your purpose.’ And when I didn’t know what my purpose was, I just said I’m going to be joy, and that is purpose. And things started to unfold in my life, financial opportunities, people wanted to be around me more, and they wanted to help me. I didn’t know why except for that I brought joy and happiness. So I want people to know that you know when you bring joy even if you don’t know what direction you’re heading, or what should I do next, at the next chapter of my life, joy unlocks opportunities, like you said and I love this message in this card here.

 

Lewis – Well that that was just such an insight that you received, you know. That’s like a divine message to you to do that because on the frequency of joy is every that you could ever want.

 

Lewis – Really.

 

Rhonda – Everything. Yeah.

 

Lewis – It’s not when you’re in anger?

 

Rhonda – Joy. Haha! I mean people must notice, you know, it’s so obvious look at your life and you can see how you’re creating it like you get angry and then one thing happens, and then, oh no, something else happens, and then something else happens, and something else, you know, I mean, we’ve all had those days.

 

Lewis – A snowball bad things.

 

Rhonda – Teah and we just keep creating one after the other. Yeah and on joy, because Joy is at the same frequency is love.

 

Lewis – uh-huh.

 

Rhonda –  So it’s right up there, and it is incredible, and that’s why in The Secret Documentary and in The Secret why I say nothing is more important, than that you feel good. Because when you feel good, you’re on a feel-good frequency and absolutely everything you encounter in the day, all the people, all the circumstances, all the events will be feel good. They will be things that make you feel even better, even better, even better, even better.

 

Lewis – Yeah. There’s a quote from famous football coach in America his name is Vince Lombardi who passed away, but he was a he won a number of championships for the Green Bay Packers, I believe it was, his quote that he would say to his, you know his team, his athletes, was that… What did he say he said, ‘Either be fired up with enthusiasm, or you’ll be fired with enthusiasm’. Right, it’s like you either got to bring the joy is what he was saying, bring the energy, bring the positive excitement, or you’ll be fired passionately. Because it’s hard to manifest or excel at a high elite level in sports, or something, if you’re not bringing passion and joy, in a in a loving happy joyful way. It’s hard to, maybe you could have some success but to kind of maintain that level of opportunities and flow it’s hard to do that without it right?

 

Rhonda – Wow that’s really interesting cuz that’s the same with life too. Right? Is really like for example, when you’re in joy you will manifest so fast, it’s a really high frequency and you will manifest really, really, quickly. The thing is, if you’re in grief and despair, it’s very slow..

 

Lewis – Right.

 

Rhonda – …and that is so that’s a protective mechanism for all of us. Because I had one time in my life where I hit depression, and because I was extremely worried about my daughter, and I just…. it was just like this black cloud and I and I thought I have completely thought myself too here. I could see all of the scary thoughts that I believed, and that and I am here now here is where I am and I knew I was here because to experience it, so I could help people out of depression.

 

Lewis – So no one else created you to get there?

 

Rhonda – Oh I did it.

 

Lewis – You created yourself?

 

Rhonda – Yeah because I just believed all these thoughts that I was, all these scary thoughts. I was just believing them all and my daughter’s fine and well today. They were just, they were just all thoughts, and so now, I mean I’m really, I guess really fortunate, I tried everything that I knew, which was to be grateful, and to think positive thoughts. So I tried thinking positive thoughts, I could feel how weak they were.

 

Lewis – What do you mean by that?

 

Rhonda – They didn’t have a lot of power behind them.

 

Lewis – So they were like, I’m going, I’m happy but I’m not really happy, not feeling it?

 

Rhonda – Because the depression….

 

Lewis – Strong.

 

Rhonda – You know it was strong. And so what I did was, I decided to not resist the depression, but to love it…

 

Lewis – Tell me more.

 

Rhonda – …and it melted away.

 

 

Lewis – what does that look like if someone’s going through three to six month…

 

Rhonda – I had to imagine this. I had to create like a picture of this, but I kind of like, I could feel the sensation of it, because depression is just a sensation. All of my feelings are just sensations and they’re not actually us they’re just they’re just a sensation, but I would get that sensation, and I would feel that sensation of depression, and then I just imagined putting my arms around it and pulling it into me. And that was hard to do…

 

Lewis – Not pushing a way of resisting…

 

Rhonda – …because that’s what we do you see, we push away, bad feelings, we don’t want to feel the pain. Right?

 

Lewis – We numb them, we try to escape from them.

 

Rhonda – Exactly. We do everything but I did the opposite because I knew what you resist persists. Right?

 

Lewis – Yes.

 

Rhonda – And so I just imagine putting my arms around, the moment that I did it, it just evaporated, that whole feeling of depression. And then a couple of hours later it would started to come back, not nearly that same level, did it again, in 3 days was totally gone.

 

Lewis – How long had you’ve been experiencing the depression for. Was this weeks, was this months?

 

Rhonda – It was like couple of weeks.

 

Lewis – A couple of weeks. And if you would have resisted it, or numbed it, or tried to escape it…

 

Rhonda – I’d still be there.

 

Lewis – Really?

 

Rhonda – Yeah.

 

Lewis – So what I’m hearing you say, is that you embracing the sadness, the pain, the grief, the loss, whatever it might be, but embracing it, and creating a relationship with it,

as opposed to pushing it away yeah allowed it to flow through you and leave you.

 

Rhonda – Yeah it can’t stay. Because nothing negative can and remain in the face of love.

 

Lewis – Wow.

 

Rhonda – Love is the light and everything negative you could say is darkness is one way to look at it, and so if there’s love the darkness just disappears. And that’s why it just evaporated, was the most incredible feeling, and I knew I’m experiencing this so I can share it with people.

 

Lewis – How does someone, I mean, The Secret 34 million plus copies you know, tens of millions of people have watched the movie all the other books, and programs, and products that you have, have been, you know sold by millions of people, have been bought these things, how does someone believe they are worthy of great things the way you have been able to do great things in your life? And impact the world in such a magnitude that you have done? How can someone know and trust that something is destined for them, maybe it’s not at this level, but something is great and destined for them? How do they know that and did you know this your entire life, leading up to this, that something like this was supposed to happen?

 

Rhonda – No I didn’t. No, but the moment I discovered it I knew. I absolutely knew it I knew this is why I was here. I knew it with every fibre of my being. But prior to that, I didn’t, I was really ambitious…

 

Lewis – You were driven, you had a business, was driven…

 

Rhonda -…but when I say ambitious, I was only wanting to perfect, be great myself, I wasn’t in competition with anybody. I wasn’t trying to be better than that person, or I just wanted to be the best that I could be. I didn’t… but after I discovered The Secret and my whole life turned completely around 360, I looked back on my life and I saw that every single thing in my life was leading to this.

 

Lewis – Really?

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Rhonda – Yes because just even things like I worked in the newsroom for in a radio station and so when The Secret went crazy, like crazy, and I just had every news media outlet in the world, in every country coming at us. I did very little, because I knew that, what happens, what can happen is that the media will build you up to tear you down.

 

Lewis – Wow.

 

Rhonda – And I knew that because I had worked in news, and I’d worked in media, and…

 

Lewis – you had seen.

 

Rhonda – …I had seen it.

 

Lewis – Is that why you did very you did Oprah, and that was really it.

 

Rhonda – I did Oprah, and I did Oprah because I knew Oprah lived this. And you see I didn’t want to go onto anything where, I didn’t want to have arguments with people, because I’m not trying to convince you to do anything. I discovered something and I wanted to share it, and if you find that it’s incredible for your life, then I’m so happy, if you if you don’t want to hear about it, that’s fine too. So, I didn’t want to get into situations with people where they’re like oh, this is you know as if the mind can do this. This is all there is, is mind, you know they didn’t even realize like it’ll be hundreds of years before it is realized what the substance of the universe really, really is, but right now we can use this knowledge to completely create the life we deserve to have. And what you were talking about being this great greatness, I think some of us were born to do something like this, but then there are others, and I think about this with my mother, right, my mother stopped working when she was like 19 years old and she had five children, but my mother achieved greatness, because she was an incredible mother, and she was an incredible wife, and so her level was different. I think you know what you did, or what I did, not everybody is prepared to take the risks. You took risks.

 

Lewis – Yes.

 

Rhonda – You can’t, you can’t do it without the risks. I took huge risks. I put everything on the line, I would everything, I would have been on the streets. I like mortgaged, overdraft, I did everything possible to get The Secret out to the world and I didn’t care honestly what happened to me after it I just wanted to get it to the world, and that was it. You have, there’s something within you that really pushes you, but then there are people that they might love what they, do you know, and they don’t want to be running a company, they don’t want the stress of that. They love their family they want to spend as much time with their family as possible, they just really love to have a better house, or you know… I think honestly if you can live your life, and you can bring joy to other people just by your presence, just by your presence, if you can do that, oh my God you’ve lived the greatest life possible. You really have because every single person their true nature is joy, and their true nature is love, and that’s why you feel so good when you’re in joy.

 

Lewis – Yeah right.

 

Rhonda –  That’s why we feel so good when we’re loving, and being loving is smiling to that person, like you did, you know I’m opening the doors, and I’m in a small.

 

Lewis – Yes absolutely. Yeah, I mean you talking about kindnesss, this is the next thing on top of here, you just said kindness… We’re in sync right here. ‘Kindness Changes Everything. Want to see your life change for the better, today? Then be the kindest you’ve ever been to every person you encounter.’ When you do that it’s hard to have a bad day.

 

Rhonda – You can’t it’s not possible, that’s why, just do that. You know like I’m like just do that one thing, and you don’t take my word for it, try it for yourself and just see for yourself what happens. I remember this person contacted us and really early on, and he said, he decided that he was just going to be happy. I think it was a hairdresser and he said I’m just going… I’m making a decision that I am going to be happy and I’m going to see what happens. And it was incredible what happened in his life. Got his own hairdressing salon, and all… just because he made a decision to be happy. What’s on the happiness

Frequency, everything that you want to make you happy.

 

Lewis – Absolutely you know so I’m curious about after the secret came out and every news outlet in the world wanted to hear more about what you were creating. You do Oprah which that you know blows up everywhere, you you’re Time 100 Most Influential person in the world, you’re selling tens of millions of copies within the first few years, this message was everywhere you could not go into a store without seeing this book. he

 

Rhonda – True.

 

Lewis – How did you navigate the pressure of success the success and not let that weight or pressure break you? Because some people want the impact, this the success but then they’re not ready for it, how did you prepare yourself, and was that a conscious decision not to do a lot of interviews after that. To not be picked at or try to be pulled down in certain ways, like…

 

Rhonda – That was a conscious decision.

 

Lewis – Like did you feel ready for the success? Did you feel prepared, or did you feel like this was a little overwhelming?

 

Rhonda – I never felt it was me.

 

Lewis – What do you mean?

 

Rhonda – I just, I just it was the message that was the star.

 

Lewis – Interesting.

 

Rhonda – I never felt that it was me. Like even writing The Secret Book, I absolutely knew that, and making the documentary, like it was a miracle what happened making that documentary. The way everything that we ever needed just landed right at our feet. It was so spectacular it was the most incredible thing I’ve ever seen, and I just knew the universe you know just putting that in that most affectionate way, I knew the universe was with us. Writing the book, it was the same thing, like I felt such a rush, in writing that book. I couldn’t write it fast enough, all the things that I’d learned and practiced, and I wanted to share with people. um but you know I had like I got a burst blood vessel in one of my eyes, I had my feet got all cracked, all the skin on my feet got cracked from high frequency in writing that book.

 

Lewis – Really, yeah cuz you said you were telling me before off camera that you wrote this book in Santa Monica in an apartment, just a few miles from here…

 

Rhonda – With my laptop on my lap.

 

Lewis – …with your laptop on your lap, in a small little apartment. Were you on the beach, were you off the beach, were you, what was your environment like?

 

Rhonda – Off the beach, it was a very simple little corporate apartment, the documentary had been released and I was writing the book, and I had… It was it was just the perfect situation I knew exactly everything that I wanted to say, it was really just rushing through me.

 

Lewis – And because of the frequency you had like, you know, so you had your body was feeling…

 

Rhonda – My body really…

 

Lewis – That’s fascinating.

 

Rhonda – …and after it I wasn’t wipe out.

 

Lewis – You were like exhausted, you were like energetically drained.

 

Rhonda – Energetically drained yeah. Then with each book that I wrote, I tried to manage that more, you know, that I wasn’t so wiped out, and now I could write a book and not at all.

 

Lewis – Right yeah, but were you a writer before this did you..

 

Rhonda – No. No do you know what?

 

Lewis – The Secret this was, this your first book. The Secret is your first book and you sold 34 million copies. That is crazy.

 

Rhonda – I know, right? I remember when Beyond Words contacted me and said we want you to do The Secret book. Well I knew there’d be The Secret book cuz I’d seen it in bookstores in my mind all around the world, in the front window, I’d seen it I didn’t know what it looked like, but I could feel the book. And I said yes. Like I knew there’d be a Secret book and I said okay. And they said and we want you to write it, and I said I’m not a writer. And guess what, I heard those words, and I’m like, yes I am.

 

Lewis – you switched it.

 

Rhonda – Yeah because I’m not a writer means that you will not be a writer. Right? And I’m like, yes I am, because I can do anything that I put my mind to you. Everybody can do anything they put their mind to, and so I wrote, and I was very specific I wanted to write to people as though was just talking to them, and not you know any kind of incredible huge words, or anything like that. I just I wanted it to be super, super, simple because law of attraction was a hard concept to get your head around at that time. It’s understood a little more these days.

 

Lewis – This is this is what I love about what you did because you first said you saw it in your mind, and you felt the book, in bookstores, you felt it so you were connecting the thought the visualization of what you saw in your mind and the feeling, you had those two things connected it sounded like and this is where I think some people get wrong about the law of attraction, or The Secret is they, you know you had those two things the thoughts and the feelings as if it was already happening but then you took action. You wrote the book. You didn’t just say it’s magically going to like be in bookstores there had to be some action somewhere whether it was you or someone else.

 

Rhonda – Yeah but I had the publisher come to me to say you to write the book.

 

Lewis – You drew it in.

 

Rhonda – So I attracted that, but do you know what, with that book I honestly feel like I was just a stenographer.

 

Lewis – You were just downloading it.

 

Rhonda – And that’s why in answer to your question how did I manage all of that? Honestly I never I just felt like I was the luckiest person in the world to be a part of that journey, but I know without a doubt the universe was just there. This had to come out into the world and it was there to help at every turn.

 

Lewis – If someone is applying these principles and think they’re not drawing in the person the publisher, the right person to hire the thing, to support them in manifesting what they want. Does that mean they’re not ready for that thing to come out into the world, is it not the right timing, you know cuz you could have wanted this 20years prior, but it didn’t happen then it happened, at the moment you were ready for it, it sounds like. So how can

people let go of their frustration of really wanting something to happen now versus knowing when it’s the right timing for it to come into the world?

 

Rhonda – Right. So, the difference is just simply belief. So, you have to believe you have it already so can if I explain what my belief was like, my belief was a notch above believing it had already happened. Mine was knowing it had already happened.

 

Lewis – What’s the difference between believing and knowing?

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Rhonda – because one, because knowing is the highest you can get. It’s actually knowing is beyond the mind but believe, but you can manifest with believing too. So I didn’t just believe this had happened, I absolutely knew it. And I knew it, I knew what it was going to do. It felt I knew it so much that I felt like I had already lived the entire journey of making it and it coming out, and that I had such a great time that I was reliving it.

 

Lewis – Oh that’s pretty cool.

 

 

Rhonda – That’s how that’s how it felt.

 

Lewis – This is, this is fascinating what you just said, this unlocked something for me. The difference between believing and knowing. I grew up in a religion, the religion of Christian Science which is all about healing and applying healing thinking, and applying the mind to the material world, but really there is no material world anyways… but one of the things that I would hear over and over again when I felt like something was off in my life, or I felt like I was feeling a pain, or something physical in my body was off, out of alignment, we would have Christian Science practitioners, spiritual practitioners, that would give us um prescriptions, but they weren’t medications, they were spiritual medications essentially. Right?

 

Rhonda – Gotcha

 

Lewis – and it was and they were always called truths, and they would always say know the truth. They didn’t say believe this, they would say know the truth, and when you know it, it is true, and it is a reality, and it was hard it was confusing as a kid because I was like well, but I feel this thing and there’s this pain but how can I know it, but what I’m hearing you say is believing can really help you in a big way, but knowing is what unlocks manifestation into another level.

 

Rhonda – Yeah knowing it’s just done. I mean there have been times for everybody when they knew something they absolutely knew something was going to happen before it happened. So, let’s say…

 

Lewis – And how do they know that?

 

Rhonda – Yes, how did you know that? And you don’t know how you knew it.

 

Lewis – It’s like an intuition or a feeling or something.

 

Rhonda – Yeah right. You knew it, like somebody’s having a baby and they don’t know what sex it is, but you’re like, oh I know it’s a girl. I absolutely know it’s a girl, and everybody thinks you’re just guessing, like everybody else. No, you’re like I know it. I know it’s a girl, or there’s a spinning wheel and you all of a sudden you’re like, I know it’s going to be number 11. I know it, and it is number 11, but you knew it, absolutely knew it.

 

Lewis – How does that happen?

 

Rhonda – Yeah because it’s above the mind. It’s above the mind. So, you definitely know it.

 

Lewis – That’s crazy

 

Rhonda – So you don’t have to be at knowing to manifest, you just have to be at believing and, might I just say, that you just have to be more believing than not believing. So that person who’s not, you know, they’re waiting, and it hasn’t manifested and they’re here, and here, the difference is they’re not believing it is done already. The moment they’re believing more that it’s done than it hasn’t arrived, it’ll manifest.

 

Lewis – How do we stay patient? And…

 

Rhonda – See well if you need patience, you’re not believing it’s manifested right?

 

Lewis – Interesting so is there…can you give me..

 

Rhonda – So you are done for right there.

 

Lewis – So give me an example, give me an example if there’s an example in your life

Personally, or something you’ve seen from a friend or someone who’s read the book, where they were like man, I’ve been waiting for this to happen it’s been 10 years, I feel like it’s supposed to happen, I’m believing it’s happening, but I haven’t got the thing that I’ve wanted yet, or haven’t, it hasn’t happened yet hasn’t come to fruition yet right. Should I have more patience in manifesting, should I expect it’s already here now, what should I do?

 

Rhonda – Okay. So I’ve definitely had some people do that, one in particular she was wanting to have a baby, and get pregnant, she had visualized, visualized, visualized, visualized, getting pregnant, she had been doing affirmations, she’d been grateful that she was getting pregnant, and she’s like, still I’m not pregnant. Now I just, and I think she’d even done IVF and that hadn’t worked and so she’d up yeah…

 

Lewis – Tried lots of things.

 

Rhonda – I just knew that for a woman who can’t get pregnant, getting pregnant has a lot of resistance around it, because when you’ve not been able to get pregnant, get pregnant, get pregnant, there’s like real resistance around that getting pregnant, and so much so that the resistance was outweighing.. her resistance that I’m not pregnant yet, was outweighing her visualization all the other things, so I said to her I don’t want you to visualize that, I want you to visualize holding the baby, because that’s the outcome, right? That’s the end result, you don’t want to be pregnant for the rest of your life, right? You want to be holding the baby, so I said to her I want you to visualize holding the baby. I want you to hear the baby, I want you to feel it in your arms.

 

Lewis – Wow!

 

Rhonda – Pregnant in a month.

 

Lewis – Wow!

 

Rhonda – And I’ve done that with a lot of women.

 

Lewis – You know even you saying that I’m not a woman but it’s like imagining you know, a child coming into my life from my partner, and hearing the baby, having the baby against my chest, being born, you know feeling the heartbeat of the child next to my heartbeat, having this beautiful moment, like I’m already seeing the future happening now, by experiencing that feeling as opposed to like, I’m feeling it…

 

Rhonda – I mean you me be careful. You better be careful you know do you want to have children now.

 

Lewis – I do at the right time, yes at the right time.

 

Rhonda – Okay yeah at the right time.

 

Lewis – But it’s like when you feel that, and you really imagine and experience that feeling it’s as if it’s already happened, or it’s happening. And you’re feeling it and there for your allowing that to come to you, and you’re allowing that as opposed to resisting it. Where this person a friend of yours was like I really want this, come here, come here, but, but like it’s not here yet, and I’m frustrated.

 

Rhonda – So many disappointments you see. You know women I know go through a lot who can’t get pregnant so there’s just one disappointment after another, or maybe they got pregnant and then they miscarried, and… Somebody else they’re two Australian girls,

volleyball players, and they were playing in the Olympic Games, and these girls were just so brilliant so clever. They were not at all the favorites, far from the favorites, they were way down the way down the chart, and what they did was they filled their entire apartment with gold awards. They got everything gold leading up to the Olympic Games and they had gold everywhere they bought all these awards everywhere gold, do you think anyone could have beaten them at the Olympic Games?

 

Lewis – Wow!

 

Rhonda – No chance. The ball was going to bounce in the perfect way, they were going to be in the exact perfect position. You see because… So when we talk about action the kind of action that you have to do for when you have used the mind, that action is effortless. That’s why writing The Secret book was effortless. It’s effortless but if you go out into the world and you’re like make this happen, and you want to do all the action, oh you’re going to struggle, oh it’s going to be hard.

 

Lewis – You might get there eventually but…

 

Rhonda – it’s going to be harder than it could be and you’ll get there eventually but you only get there eventually because you think it gradually bit by bit, that’s the only reason you get there, because you had the thought, oh things are getting better. I’m starting to see success is coming, you’re having these little thoughts along way, that’s the only reason you make it you cannot do anything in the world without thought nothing. You show me one invention that’s happened without thought?

 

Lewis – Right you have to imagine it first…

 

Rhonda – Right.

 

Lewis – …you have to come up with it in your mind and then you alchemize and created in the world.

 

Rhonda – Exactly. So for those…

 

Lewis – you have to think it first.

 

Rhonda – Yes so for those girls you see they lived with that gold and saw themselves winning gold. I bet if you ask them they would say winning that gold was effortless for them, that they just got the right breaks, that everything happened, the right way for them. You know sports people are so amazing at visualizing winning, right?

 

Lewis – Then it does look effortless for them because they’re in the flow, they’re not working hard they’re working they’re they effortlessly moving to their desired result, right? How do we navigate the ego when… let’s say when success comes our way, you know whether these girls who win the gold medal, you know, an athlete, you selling millions of copies in the first year or months, or whatever and getting all these opportunities, how do we navigate the ego from not consuming us, but success actually allowing us to multiply into greater success?

 

Rhonda – Really good question.

 

Lewis – How did you navigate that?

 

Rhonda – You just, you certainly have to remain humble, you know, humble and grateful. And I think we’ve all seen people that have had success and then just robbed… just find themselves in the most awful drama, of you know terrible situation, where they made one mistake and just everything, you know the whole World turned against them. You have to remain humble otherwise truly just, you’re in for a really rough ride. You could visualize all the most wonderful things, and you could you know, achieve all of that, and manifest all of that, but if you don’t remain humble… because if you look at it anyway you never did it on your own like even if you just look it physically in the world, I mean I knew we had the universe behind us, I felt it with every step that we took, but even, I’ve got the most incredible team, I mean we did intentions meetings at 11:00 every morning. And where we intended, and in those meetings, we were celebrating The Secret having swept the world, and having become a global phenomenon. That’s what we did in those meetings.

 

Lewis – Before the book came out?

 

Rhonda -Oh yeah, but we danced, and we celebrated that. That’s what you’ve got to do.

 

Lewis – You had the feel of joy and excitement..

 

Rhonda – That it was already done. If you want to go traveling, if you want to see the world and you’re like, I don’t have any money, how will I ever go traveling, straight away law of attraction says, okay, done. You know, I don’t have any money, or, but if you want to go travel get out your suitcase.

 

Lewis – This is the funniest thing you said this, cuz my fiancé, Martha, she’s Mexican, they grew up in this Mexican traditions and over the holidays I don’t know, this never happened to me growing up in America but over the holidays, they would do this thing around Christmas and New Year’s, her family, and I believe this is a Mexican tradition, uh

but her family, they’ll all get out suitcases during the holidays and say, where do you want to go next year? And then we leave the house with the suitcase and say we’re going to

Japan. We walk out and we skip down the sidewalk with a suitcase, me and Martha did, and then each family member does this and tells the experience of where they went. I’m going here and this is where it’s going to feel like, and the experience, and it’s this joy and excitement talking about the trip. And we take the suitcase out the door and then we come back and we tell the experience and we said this this last year Japan, and now I, we literally just booked our trip to Japan, happening in like a month.

 

Rhonda – Oh I was going to say you are going to Japan.

 

Lewis – Yeah, it’s happening. No, it’s happening we already booked it. but even though I didn’t know when, or how at the end of last year we set an intention, we celebrated it, we talked about it and we allowed the universe to open up to see, when is this possible, how is this possible, what are we going to be doing, right? And things are coming to us in a way that’s going to create a beautiful magical experience.

 

Rhonda – Oh was so fantastic.

 

Lewis – But we took our luggage out. I don’t know if this is like a Mexican tradition, but so literally, what you said, they do every year, is really cool because it sets that intention.

 

Rhonda – Yes it’s acting as if, is what it is it’s acting as if you already have it, like I remember there was this lady who wanted to be in the audience on the Oprah show when I was going to be on there, and the audience was completely full, it was, it was booked out, but what she did was she got her suitcase out, and she got a flight to Chicago. I mean this is somebody really, really, game and she gets a call a message on her phone when she lands into Chicago to say, come to the studio we’ve got a seat for you. Yeah.

 

Lewis – She had already intended it and went there.

 

 

Rhonda – She had to get a seat you know.

 

Lewis – This is fascinating.

 

Rhonda – She really like, she really believed in you so acting as if like I I know I wrote this in one of my books, but there was, there was this woman who wanted a horse she couldn’t afford to buy a horse, so she went and bought the bridle. She put the Bridal on her table in front of her and looked at that bridle every day.

 

Lewis – Is that, is that the saddle, is the bridle is that the saddle?

 

Rhonda – I think it’s the I’m not a really great horse,..

 

Lewis – the mouth piece?

 

Rhonda -Yeah the straps that go around the head, kind of thing I think, and within a couple of weeks threw actually the most extraordinary set of circumstances, she got offered a horse.

 

Lewis – Oh my goodness.

 

Rhonda – Yeah through someone, through someone, through someone, through someone, and she got off at a horse, but of course she was acting as if she already had the horse. She bought the bridle, so and I always say the universe abhors a vacuum.

 

Lewis – Say it again.

 

Rhonda – The universe abhors a vacuum, so abhor is a b h o r s. The universe dislikes a vacuum. The universe can’t tolerate a vacuum it has to fill it. So if you create a vacuum which is why like for all the people who want to meet their perfect partner, and you go to their house and their wardrobe is totally full, and there’s no room for their partner’s clothes, right, and they sleep in the middle of the bed, where does their partner sleep, right? So you got to create a vacuum and so you got to sleep on that side of the bed so the partner sleeps there, you got to make room in the bathroom, you need to make room in the closet,

you’ve created a vacuum, then the then the person can come into your life.

 

Lewis – That’s so, this so funny you say this as well, because Martha my fiancé, she when she was single before we started dating, she bought herself a home and she was going to buy a queen size bed but her coach was like well, are you trying to, you know what type of man are you trying to attract? She’s like well you know a king. You know I’m trying to attract my king in my life right not saying that I’m a king or whatever, but like I’m trying to attract and she was saying, explain what’s does he look like, is he is he short, is he tall is he, you know and she was like, nah he’s like 6’4 and you know, he’s an athlete, and he’s he needs space, right? And her coach was like well you can’t buy a queen or full-size bed if you want to attract a bigger guy you need space like you said you need to have a big. So for a number of months she had this big king-sized and she’s tiny she’s like 5’2 right, so she was but she was sleeping on this big bed, she’s like ah is this weird because I have this extra space, but she allowed room for me to be there as well.

 

Rhonda – How amazing your life is full of these stories. So good.

 

Lewis – And you hear a lot of like I’m assuming you know mothers to be, they create rooms with a crib, and they have the room ready for the… that’s like creating a vacuum right, for the baby to then arrive.

 

Rhonda – Good observation.

 

Lewis – A lot of mothers do this nesting, or whatever might be…

 

Rhonda – Great observation.

 

Lewis – It’s another example of like okay I’m struggling getting pregnant, but let me just intend, and set the intention, that there will be a child here, but I got to do it before it comes.

 

Rhonda – And you know what people might say, some people might say, ‘oh no you might jinx it’. Come on, come on, are you going to believe that thought. Don’t believe that. Everybody deserves everything they want and there’s no shortage.

 

Lewis – Yes how do we… this is a, this is a card you talked about with navigating negative thoughts, how do we when we want something? How do we learn to navigate the negative thoughts that come and go, because not all of us, you know are going to be able to have perfect positive thoughts all day long, especially when there’s challenge, or breakdown, or maybe some financial strain, or pain, physical pain. So how do we navigate negative thoughts based on what you’ve talked about.

 

Rhonda – The Secret really is to become more aware of what’s going on in your mind and you might, to begin with, just become aware of your feelings you know, and all of a sudden you’re not feeling very good. And I promise you if you’re not feeling very good it’s because you’ve had a whole lot of negative thoughts that you’ve been giving your attention to too, and that’s why you don’t feel very good. And so you need to be more become more aware. I just had somebody yesterday say to me that they spiralled downward in in a particular situation, and then they kind of came out of it and they were like, why did I do that, why did I let all of those thoughts get me down like that, and I said to her but you know what? What you did is amazing because you saw it. You know even if you went down with it you still saw it, you came out of it, and you’re like look what happened, that was all negative thoughts…

 

Lewis – You caught it.

 

Rhonda –  … you caught it, and so for me like really early on, you know, I would only realize a couple of days later or but the more that you do it, the faster that you catch it, and a negative thought feels so alien now, or negative thoughts feel so alien that…

 

Lewis -They’re foreign to you now. Well, most people, its negative thoughts are so familiar because that’s all they know is negative thinking. You get in a trap or in a cycle of thinking you wake up negative you wake up frustrated resentful and you follow through and you go to sleep frustrated and negative thinking, and it is a familiar feeling. I’ve been there in the past it just becomes a familiarity of everything is against me, the world is against me, this person is trying to take advantage of me, negative, negative, negative. And it can feel like you’re in a trap or you’re stuck, it can feel extremely hard to get out of it, but the more we practice what I’m hearing you say, the more we practice catching it, and being aware of it, and practicing having replacing it with a different type of positive empowering thought, then the more familiar that will start to feel as well.

 

Rhonda – That’s right, it’s just a pattern that that is the mind’s just a program, you know it’s just a program so it’s programmed right now based on what each of us have been putting into it, and you know I lived like decades with, you know, caught up in dramas. I mean I’m really grateful to the universe that it didn’t wipe me out. You know because oh my gosh, you know if I think about different negative, you know things that I get caught up in and talking about, and you know gossip, like for example, is just such a negative awful thing.

 

Lewis – It’s a low frequency energy.

 

Rhonda – Very low frequency yeah, really low frequency. so

 

Lewis -Gossip it’s one of the lowest frequencies I feel. Like right?

 

Rhonda – Sure it. Yeah sure is.

 

Lewis – It doesn’t empower you to attract what you want.

 

Rhonda – No and you know for the Law of Attraction, like there’s only one. You. There’s only one so it is responding to your thoughts, to your words, but there’s only one there’s only you and so whatever you say about another you’re bringing to you.

 

Lewis – Can you say one more time?

 

Rhonda – Okay. So for Law of Attraction it’s responding to thoughts, right? And so your thoughts, and you can’t think a thought for me, and I can’t think of thought for you, right? So law of attraction is just responding to my thoughts, and it’s responding to your thoughts, and so what it is doing is, if I am talking about, oh she’s, you know she’s this, I saw her do this, I saw her you know, and she did that to somebody else, you know too, and blah blah, this big story, you’re saying all of that all that blame, and law of attractions giving it to you.

 

Lewis – Oh man!

 

Rhonda – Yeah we can’t think, we can’t think badly of somebody else without it affecting us. It will come back to us, guaranteed. We’re just not making the connection, you know and so we attract blame, so we’re blaming somebody and then we going to work the next day and we’ve made the biggest mistake of all time in our job, and we’re hauled into the office and the boss is going right through us, and we don’t make the connection.

 

Lewis – Wow yeah, yeah.

 

Rhonda – No, kind thoughts, kind.

 

Lewis – Yes to others, do it.

 

Rhonda – Do it for you. You know..

 

Lewis – Because what we think about others, we are attracting to us as well. It’s hard but the universe can’t make that distinction right? The difference?

 

Rhonda – No and there’s only one for law of attraction, in truth there’s only one too, overall we feel very individual but there is there is only one but for Law of Attraction there’s only one and if you think about it, it has to be that way that it’s just responding here to these thoughts, to these thoughts, it’s responding to these thoughts, to these thoughts, it’s responding to these thoughts, it’s none of it’s personal. Not personal at all. It’s not saying oh I know you don’t really want that, I’m not going to give it to you,

 

Lewis – But if you’re speaking you.. We’re talking about The Secret Manifestation Cards by Rhonda Byrne, make sure you guys get a few of these decks. There are tons of different decks out there in the world that people make, but I don’t think I’ve seen decks, a deck this beautifully done. The design the artistry, I know Nic was heavily involved in this on your team.

 

Rhonda – Amazing team, amazing team.

 

Lewis – It’s beautiful. I mean I just want to like frame these they’re like pieces of art, so they are powerful. I think it’s 65 cards, and a 16-page booklet that is in this, that will give you in a moment you pick it up, you take up the first one, you shuffle the deck, you pick it out, you’re going to get inspiration.

 

Rhonda – And by law of attraction like if you wake up in the morning and wake up in the morning and draw a card, by law of attraction that is the most important message you need to hear in this moment.

 

Lewis – Let’s go, let’s go. I’m excited. I want people to get this, The Secret Manifestation Cards.

 

Rhonda – Oh thank you.

 

Lewis – Make sure you get this. I’ve got a couple final questions for you, but people can get this at thesecret.tv I believe, it’s the main page where they can get it. Everywhere on social media The Secret or thesecret365 is also on Instagram, but pretty much everywhere. The Secret on social media and thesecret.tv where you can sign up for the newsletter get information about all the books that Rhonda has, the last book The Greatest Secret is incredible we talked about that in our previous interview, it’s incredible. I have a couple final questions for you Rhonda but I’m I just wanted to say before I ask them, I’m so grateful that we’re doing this in person. There’s an amazing energy about you that is that is magnificent, in itself the energy, the wisdom, the passion, and the joy you bring, I’m so glad we’re doing this in person, I hope we can do this every year, or in the future again…

 

Rhonda – That would be nice

 

Lewis – …and just continue to have these conversations cuz I feel like there’s an amazing flow here, so I’m very…

 

Rhonde – Ioved every second.

 

Lewis – …I’m very grateful you’re here and I know people love hearing from you. I’m so glad that we’re doing this. This is a question that I’m curious about because you’ve done so much and you’ve impacted tens of millions of lives what do you see is what’s next for you? You know beyond this, do you have a vision of what you’re trying to create in the future, or is it more you stay very present, and you allow things to come to you at this stage where are you at currently in your life?

 

Rhonda – Certainly I allow myself to be guided, and I don’t kind of make up my mind, there’s a book I’ve been thinking about for a while, and for the last year, and I’ve been doing some research on that, so that might happen, we’ve been doing apps, and so I’ve been enjoying doing that with the team as well. I just, all I want to do is keep creating in the hope that, to reach more people and to help more people have better lives. I don’t even mind what shape or form that comes in, just as long as it, just as long as it reaches people. And it just, I mean that’s just what you live for, and I’m sure that is the case for you too right? W

 

Lewis – That’s what I’m doing.

 

Rhonda – When you get that feedback is just absolutely amazing, and then you’re like, I knew this is what I was meant to do. And isn’t it a total feeling of serving, is a real feeling of that is it not?

 

Lewis – 100 precent. That’s where we get a lot of fulfillment when we’re in service.

 

Rhonda – of course, yeah.

 

Lewis – That’s beautiful, I’m so excited. Well, we’re here to support you spread the message whenever you have the next book or project, so we’re here to do more of this. I asked you this question the last time it’s what I asked everyone towards the end of my interviews, and I’m curious if it’s the same or if it’s different and we’ll have to go back and hear the previous interview to see where it was at, but this question is called the three truths. So imagine a hypothetical scenario you get to live as long as you want in this physical world, but it’s the last day for you, somewhere in the future, it’s the last day, and you get to continue to create all the books the apps the projects, or whatever you manifest in the future it all comes true, as it has for you in the last you know, 15 – 20 years but for whatever reason in this hypothetical scenario you have to take everything with you. So no one has access to the manifestation cards they don’t have access to The Secret movie, The Secret Book, or anything you’ve ever created hypothetical scenario. And all you get to leave behind are three lessons that you’ve learned, and everything else is gone, what would be those three lessons, or what I like to call three truths for you?

 

Rhonda – Well to definitely to love everything and everyone, to be grateful for every moment, and to be the joy.

 

Lewis – I love that. I’ll make sure to link up the previous interview, so we can see what you said before.

 

Rhonda – It’s probably similar.

 

Lewis – So people can watch. I have one final question Rhonda again I want to acknowledge you for your joy, for your light, for your creativity, for showing up for yourself fully, for living a harmonious life internally, so that you’re able to create effortlessly in the world, and be of service, it’s a beautiful thing to watch, and again I hope we get to do many more of these in the future but I acknowledge you for the gift that you are and I’m very grateful for the impact you’ve made on so many lives. So, thank you for being here.

 

Rhonda – Thank you so much.

 

Lewis – Of course my final question is what is your definition of greatness?

 

Rhonda – Humility, that’s what I would say. Yeah, because I think if your humble then you’ve definitely got greatness inside you.